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I second Maichblack post 50 sentiments in totality. The ICC disapearing withnessess approach desirable I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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These ugus wanadharau police wetu sana Read the whole rescue joke here: T mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Gunmen-kill-officers-in-new-border-raids/-/1950946/2730670/-/format/xhtml/-/x1kfyaz/-/index.html punda amecheka
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Kenya is a failed state on so many levels. On terrorist matters, I blame Duale for being a sympathizer, a wolf in a sheep pen. I also blame Uhuru for not dealing squarely with him and other high-ranking Islamic jihadist cum government administrators. On the other hand I'm not at all surprised because I believe the plan to turn Kenya into an Islamic State under the Sharia Law is like a horse that left its stable ages ago. In other words, it's too late at this point.
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MaichBlack wrote:Jubilee Government is doing a terrible job in matters Security!!! ODM would be worse by a country mile.
Both sides ni pang'ang'a tu!!! Jubilee not doing enough to protect Kenyans. Not even close!!! ODM just yapping and looking for political mileage and NEVER offering solutions!!!
I want to feel safe in my country. I want to be protected from terrorists, murderers, armed thugs pickpockets etc. I pay bloody taxes! I am not asking for charity!!! Inaction, excuses na incompetences za government sitaki. Ujinga ya ODM hainisaidii!!! And you will never feel safe if there are no laws to protect you "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Jubilee Government is doing a terrible job in matters Security!!! ODM would be worse by a country mile.
Both sides ni pang'ang'a tu!!! Jubilee not doing enough to protect Kenyans. Not even close!!! ODM just yapping and looking for political mileage and NEVER offering solutions!!!
I want to feel safe in my country. I want to be protected from terrorists, murderers, armed thugs pickpockets etc. I pay bloody taxes! I am not asking for charity!!! Inaction, excuses na incompetences za government sitaki. Ujinga ya ODM hainisaidii!!! And you will never feel safe if there are no laws to protect you Let us not hide behind the law!!! Of course the law needs to be strengthened but there is a lot that can be done under the CURRENT LAW!!! Guess what, it is not being done!!! The Garisa University attack, where was the law to blame? The same applies to most of the other attacks. Sending Recce Squad into a building that innocent Kenyans are being slaughtered 12 hours after it started was because of the law? Sending recruits into poorly planned mission without air cover (or any other cover) is because of the law? Taking days to offer backup or rescue to police officers under attack - on Kenyan soil - is because of the law? Marauding armed Al Shabaab militants getting into Kenyan mosques, preaching for HOURS and leaving at their pleasure is because of the law? Let us not kid our selves!!! It is institutional incompetence, corruption, politics etc. that are to blame. The law does not even feature in the top 10 of the problems afflicting us in matters security! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Jubilee Government is doing a terrible job in matters Security!!! ODM would be worse by a country mile.
Both sides ni pang'ang'a tu!!! Jubilee not doing enough to protect Kenyans. Not even close!!! ODM just yapping and looking for political mileage and NEVER offering solutions!!!
I want to feel safe in my country. I want to be protected from terrorists, murderers, armed thugs pickpockets etc. I pay bloody taxes! I am not asking for charity!!! Inaction, excuses na incompetences za government sitaki. Ujinga ya ODM hainisaidii!!! And you will never feel safe if there are no laws to protect you Let us not hide behind the law!!! Of course the law needs to be strengthened but the is a lot that can be done under the CURRENT LAW!!! Guess what, it is not being done!!! The Garisa University attack, where was the law to blame? The same applies to most of the other attacks. Sending Recce Squad into a building that innocent Kenyans are being slaughtered 12 hours after it started was because of the law? Sending recruits into poorly planned mission without air cover (or any other cover) is because of the law? Taking days to offer backup or rescue to police officers under attack - on Kenya soil - is because of the law? Marauding armed Al Shabaab militants getting into Kenyan mosques, preaching for HOURS and leaving at their pleasure is because of the law? Let us not kid our selves!!! It is institutional incompetence, corruption, politics etc. that are to blame. The law does not even feature in the top 10 of the problems afflicting us in matters security! Tell them bro. No excuse for this outright incompetence and slack punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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newfarer wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Jubilee Government is doing a terrible job in matters Security!!! ODM would be worse by a country mile.
Both sides ni pang'ang'a tu!!! Jubilee not doing enough to protect Kenyans. Not even close!!! ODM just yapping and looking for political mileage and NEVER offering solutions!!!
I want to feel safe in my country. I want to be protected from terrorists, murderers, armed thugs pickpockets etc. I pay bloody taxes! I am not asking for charity!!! Inaction, excuses na incompetences za government sitaki. Ujinga ya ODM hainisaidii!!! And you will never feel safe if there are no laws to protect you Let us not hide behind the law!!! Of course the law needs to be strengthened but the is a lot that can be done under the CURRENT LAW!!! Guess what, it is not being done!!! The Garisa University attack, where was the law to blame? The same applies to most of the other attacks. Sending Recce Squad into a building that innocent Kenyans are being slaughtered 12 hours after it started was because of the law? Sending recruits into poorly planned mission without air cover (or any other cover) is because of the law? Taking days to offer backup or rescue to police officers under attack - on Kenya soil - is because of the law? Marauding armed Al Shabaab militants getting into Kenyan mosques, preaching for HOURS and leaving at their pleasure is because of the law? Let us not kid our selves!!! It is institutional incompetence, corruption, politics etc. that are to blame. The law does not even feature in the top 10 of the problems afflicting us in matters security! Tell them bro. No excuse for this outright incompetence and slack word... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:harrydre wrote:mpobiz wrote:Bigchick wrote:How sad that we are actually waiting to hear about deaths.
What has become of our society? Thats the question @harry has been asking all along. Politics has realy made some of shame the hayenas . We should all be holding our breath as we wait for good news.when a bus accident happens do we pray for more deaths so that we can have more weight in condeming our government road safety policy? Shindwe pepo! Yesterday, KDF killed some UGUS, we did not hear anything. Today some attack the cops, are repelled but cops get injured. Instead of people praising the cops and encouraging them for the good work, they declare them dead with zero facts. Ojinga! why should people care when ugus are killed? why should you praise someone for doing what they have been employed to do?people care when KENYANS are killed because we pay taxes for the protection of Kenyans and not to kill ugus.When the president takes oath, he always pledges/swears to protect the sovereignty(read security) of the country, no where does he swear/pledge to kill ugus, Killing ugus is ONLY part of the protection.The problem with these governemnt in secutity matters is that they prefer to blame anyone/everyone apart from themselves You seem to be the only one who doesn't know who frustrates any effort put in place in the name of HUMAN RIGHTS. I told you this issue can only be dealt with if we became pro-active instead of reactive. In Kenya its a crime to be pro-active. EG if today I was planning to attack any place, the cops cant arrest me because I haven't committed a crime. We need to have laws that where people can be arrested for "Conspiracy to commit a crime/murder/terror etc" Bullshit, As I said you and your jubilee govt like blaming everyone and everything apart from yourselves, which law/part of law should be changed? Sections from penal codeQuote:43A. Any person who, with intent to help the enemy, does any act
which is designed or likely to give assistance to the enemy, or to interfere
with the maintenance of public order or the government of Kenya, or
to impede the operation of the disciplined forces, or to endanger life,
is guilty of a felony and is liable to imprisonment for life. Quote:44. Any person who, without lawful authority, carries on, or makes
preparation for carrying on, or aids in or advises the carrying on of, or
preparation for, any war or warlike undertaking with, for, by or against
any person or body or group of persons in Kenya, is guilty of a felony
and is liable to imprisonment for life. Prevention of terrorism Act Quote:5. A person who, directly or indirectly, collects, attempts to collect, provides, attempts to provide or invites a person to provide or make available any property, funds or a service intending, knowing or heaving reasonable grounds to believe that such property, funds or service shall be used— Quote:6. A person who possesses any property intending or knowing that it shall be used, whether directly or indirectly or in whole or in part, for the commission of, or facilitating the commission of a terrorist act, commits an offence and is liable, on conviction. to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twenty years. Quote:224. Any person who conspires with any other person to kill any
person, whether that person is in Kenya or elsewhere, is guilty of a
felony and is liable to imprisonment for fourteen years. Quote:9. (1) A person who knowingly supports or solicits support for the commission of a terrorist act by any person or terrorist group commits an offence and is liable, on conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twenty years. I can probably fill a whole page by pasting the terrorism act and penal code. If RAO, Muhuri,Haki africa are guilty the way you want us to believe, they can be charged in court of law without amending existing law Quote:23. (1) A person who, being outside Kenya, conspires with a person who is in Kenya to carry out a terrorist act in any place outside Kenya being an act which if committed in Kenya, would constitute an offence under this Act shall be deemed to have conspired to commit that act in Kenya.
(2) A person who, being in Kenya, conspires with a person who is outside Kenya carry out a terrorist act in Kenya shall be deemed to have conspired in Kenya to carry out that act.
(3) A person who, being outside Kenya, conspires with a person who is outside Kenya to carry out a terrorist act in Kenya shall be deemed to have conspired in Kenya to do that act.
(4) A person who conspires to carry out a terrorist act under this section commits an offence and is liable, on conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twenty years.
ION, Don't you think Duale should be charged for harboring terrorists?Quote:10. A person who harbors or conceals, or prevents, hinders or interferes with the arrest of a person knowing, or having reason to believe that such person—
(a) has committed or intends to commit a terrorist act; or
(b) is a member of a terrorist group,
commits an offence and is liable, on conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding thirty years.
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:harrydre wrote:mpobiz wrote:Bigchick wrote:How sad that we are actually waiting to hear about deaths.
What has become of our society? Thats the question @harry has been asking all along. Politics has realy made some of shame the hayenas . We should all be holding our breath as we wait for good news.when a bus accident happens do we pray for more deaths so that we can have more weight in condeming our government road safety policy? Shindwe pepo! Yesterday, KDF killed some UGUS, we did not hear anything. Today some attack the cops, are repelled but cops get injured. Instead of people praising the cops and encouraging them for the good work, they declare them dead with zero facts. Ojinga! why should people care when ugus are killed? why should you praise someone for doing what they have been employed to do?people care when KENYANS are killed because we pay taxes for the protection of Kenyans and not to kill ugus.When the president takes oath, he always pledges/swears to protect the sovereignty(read security) of the country, no where does he swear/pledge to kill ugus, Killing ugus is ONLY part of the protection.The problem with these governemnt in secutity matters is that they prefer to blame anyone/everyone apart from themselves You seem to be the only one who doesn't know who frustrates any effort put in place in the name of HUMAN RIGHTS. I told you this issue can only be dealt with if we became pro-active instead of reactive. In Kenya its a crime to be pro-active. EG if today I was planning to attack any place, the cops cant arrest me because I haven't committed a crime. We need to have laws that where people can be arrested for "Conspiracy to commit a crime/murder/terror etc" Bullshit, As I said you and your jubilee govt like blaming everyone and everything apart from yourselves, which law/part of law should be changed? Sections from penal codeQuote:43A. Any person who, with intent to help the enemy, does any act
which is designed or likely to give assistance to the enemy, or to interfere
with the maintenance of public order or the government of Kenya, or
to impede the operation of the disciplined forces, or to endanger life,
is guilty of a felony and is liable to imprisonment for life. Quote:44. Any person who, without lawful authority, carries on, or makes
preparation for carrying on, or aids in or advises the carrying on of, or
preparation for, any war or warlike undertaking with, for, by or against
any person or body or group of persons in Kenya, is guilty of a felony
and is liable to imprisonment for life. Prevention of terrorism Act Quote:5. A person who, directly or indirectly, collects, attempts to collect, provides, attempts to provide or invites a person to provide or make available any property, funds or a service intending, knowing or heaving reasonable grounds to believe that such property, funds or service shall be used— Quote:6. A person who possesses any property intending or knowing that it shall be used, whether directly or indirectly or in whole or in part, for the commission of, or facilitating the commission of a terrorist act, commits an offence and is liable, on conviction. to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twenty years. Quote:224. Any person who conspires with any other person to kill any
person, whether that person is in Kenya or elsewhere, is guilty of a
felony and is liable to imprisonment for fourteen years. Quote:9. (1) A person who knowingly supports or solicits support for the commission of a terrorist act by any person or terrorist group commits an offence and is liable, on conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twenty years. I can probably fill a whole page by pasting the terrorism act and penal code. If RAO, Muhuri,Haki africa are guilty the way you want us to believe, they can be charged in court of law without amending existing law Quote:23. (1) A person who, being outside Kenya, conspires with a person who is in Kenya to carry out a terrorist act in any place outside Kenya being an act which if committed in Kenya, would constitute an offence under this Act shall be deemed to have conspired to commit that act in Kenya.
(2) A person who, being in Kenya, conspires with a person who is outside Kenya carry out a terrorist act in Kenya shall be deemed to have conspired in Kenya to carry out that act.
(3) A person who, being outside Kenya, conspires with a person who is outside Kenya to carry out a terrorist act in Kenya shall be deemed to have conspired in Kenya to do that act.
(4) A person who conspires to carry out a terrorist act under this section commits an offence and is liable, on conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twenty years.
ION, Don't you think Duale should be charged for ahrbouring terrorists?Quote:10. A person who harbors or conceals, or prevents, hinders or interferes with the arrest of a person knowing, or having reason to believe that such person—
(a) has committed or intends to commit a terrorist act; or
(b) is a member of a terrorist group,
commits an offence and is liable, on conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding thirty years.
I like your flashes of brilliance, Swenani. Why do you waste it on fleshly matters?
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maka wrote:newfarer wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Jubilee Government is doing a terrible job in matters Security!!! ODM would be worse by a country mile.
Both sides ni pang'ang'a tu!!! Jubilee not doing enough to protect Kenyans. Not even close!!! ODM just yapping and looking for political mileage and NEVER offering solutions!!!
I want to feel safe in my country. I want to be protected from terrorists, murderers, armed thugs pickpockets etc. I pay bloody taxes! I am not asking for charity!!! Inaction, excuses na incompetences za government sitaki. Ujinga ya ODM hainisaidii!!! And you will never feel safe if there are no laws to protect you Let us not hide behind the law!!! Of course the law needs to be strengthened but the is a lot that can be done under the CURRENT LAW!!! Guess what, it is not being done!!! The Garisa University attack, where was the law to blame? The same applies to most of the other attacks. Sending Recce Squad into a building that innocent Kenyans are being slaughtered 12 hours after it started was because of the law? Sending recruits into poorly planned mission without air cover (or any other cover) is because of the law? Taking days to offer backup or rescue to police officers under attack - on Kenya soil - is because of the law? Marauding armed Al Shabaab militants getting into Kenyan mosques, preaching for HOURS and leaving at their pleasure is because of the law? Let us not kid our selves!!! It is institutional incompetence, corruption, politics etc. that are to blame. The law does not even feature in the top 10 of the problems afflicting us in matters security! Tell them bro. No excuse for this outright incompetence and slack word... Apt!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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