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MaichBlack
#641 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 7:48:12 PM
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murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
By the way, the bonus was at what ratio? Nobody has mentioned that.

Thanks @murchr for the tweets.


1 for every 20 held. And make the internet your friend maich. http://unaitas.com/downl...ial_Statements_2013.pdf^

I thought I was on the Internet @murchr. He he he.

You guys are here. You can give us first hand information! Hiyo ndiyo kazi ya hii forum!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Boris Boyka
#642 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:01:56 PM
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@murchr kwani leo unarain? moody. meza cool pill. Wazua is a source of information.. By asking more we learn more. As you know some companies profiles on net aren't upto date. First hand info is neccesarry.....Take the bold step and elaborate the whole scenario once and for all (i see you got the info).
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Kastone
#643 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:17:23 PM
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BGL wrote:
streetwise wrote:
I am told some of these organisations have class A and class B shares what is the stucture at Unaitas


UNAITAS has a similar structure. The shares bought before year 2009 have superior rights than those bought after year 2010.


I really doubt, nothing of the sort. I think this is just to appreciate the guys who invested a while back
“The beauty of success is that it doesn’t matter how many times you have failed, you only have to be right once and then everyone can tell you how lucky you are.” - Mark Cuban
target1360
#644 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:19:14 PM
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the more i learn the more i appreciate buffets wisdom.
consider his idea of making 20investments in a life time.
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
Kastone
#645 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:22:40 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
I should start a course on Internal Corporate Communication and charge companies "top dollar" to train their employees.

I have noticed that most companies have employees who are totally clueless on something that is in their line of work. Not something that should be handled by another department.

Most recently I have dealt with totally clueless employees at Dyer and Blair, KCB, Coop, Kingdom Securities, Unaitas and CMA!!!

Last week I was so pissed off! I called CMA, I gave my story then I am told, I think the people you need to talk to are governance and sijui what. I am transferred. Same story bla bla bla. "I think the people you need to talk to are compliance". Transferred. Same story. "I think the people you need to talk to are bla bla bla". Transferred. Transferred like 6 times. Nobody sorted the issue.

For Kingdom security I was transferred left, right and centre till I got to the operations manager. She had no idea if I can open a nominee CDS account for a minor or a joint account!! She promised to find out and call me back the next day. Never did!!! Employees who are in charge of opening CDS accounts at the two Coop bank branches I visited have no idea WHAT a nominee account is and it's difference from a joint account and if you must have IDs for both holders of a joint account bla bla bla. Advice? Go to branch x (the nearest) and see if they know!!!

I could give the stories for the rest but the post will become a book.

Totally pisses me off!!!


Am with you on this one. Totally sucks! It gets to a point you even tell the employee "Mimi ndio najua."
“The beauty of success is that it doesn’t matter how many times you have failed, you only have to be right once and then everyone can tell you how lucky you are.” - Mark Cuban
enyands
#646 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:23:10 PM
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murchr wrote:
[quote=MaichBlack]By the way, the bonus was at what ratio? Nobody has mentioned that.

Thanks @murchr for the tweets.


1 for every 20 held. And make the internet your friend maich. http://unaitas.com/downl...ial_Statements_2013.pdf[/quote]


@murchir I think the juror have come out with a verdict . 1 for every 20 feels like a drop in the ocean . The tweeter and past financial have proven to be helpful. Will go full throttle on this .
MaichBlack
#647 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:29:33 PM
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Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,567
Boris Boyka wrote:
@murchr kwani leo unarain? moody. meza cool pill. Wazua is a source of information.. By asking more we learn more. As you know some companies profiles on net aren't upto date. First hand info is neccesarry.....Take the bold step and elaborate the whole scenario once and for all (i see you got the info).

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

It is almost "end month". Forgive him!!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
murchr
#648 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:41:16 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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MaichBlack wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
@murchr kwani leo unarain? moody. meza cool pill. Wazua is a source of information.. By asking more we learn more. As you know some companies profiles on net aren't upto date. First hand info is neccesarry.....Take the bold step and elaborate the whole scenario once and for all (i see you got the info).

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

It is almost "end month". Forgive him!!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Some of us are in this heavily and this scare mongering is not funny at all.

You two show pay me for doing the digging for you. Wazua should be the source of last result after all and sundry. smile

Now, Who attended the AGM? What was the big news apart from dividend?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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MaichBlack
#649 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:44:32 PM
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Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,567
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
@murchr kwani leo unarain? moody. meza cool pill. Wazua is a source of information.. By asking more we learn more. As you know some companies profiles on net aren't upto date. First hand info is neccesarry.....Take the bold step and elaborate the whole scenario once and for all (i see you got the info).

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

It is almost "end month". Forgive him!!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Some of us are in this heavily and this scare mongering is not funny at all.

You two show pay me for doing the digging for you. Wazua should be the source of last result after all and sundry. smile

Now, Who attended the AGM? What was the big news apart from dividend?


And make the internet your friend @murchr!

Wazua should be the source of last result after all and sundry. smile

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

What was that story about the Nyani and kundule again???
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
enyands
#650 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:47:28 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,301
Location: kenya
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
@murchr kwani leo unarain? moody. meza cool pill. Wazua is a source of information.. By asking more we learn more. As you know some companies profiles on net aren't upto date. First hand info is neccesarry.....Take the bold step and elaborate the whole scenario once and for all (i see you got the info).

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

It is almost "end month". Forgive him!!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Some of us are in this heavily and this scare mongering is not funny at all.

You two show pay me for doing the digging for you. Wazua should be the source of last result after all and sundry. smile

Now, Who attended the AGM? What was the big news apart from dividend?


And make the internet your friend @murchr!

Wazua should be the source of last result after all and sundry. smile

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

What was that story about the Nyani and kundule again???



Drop this nuclear ambition bwana. Seems like guys are armed to teeth .anyway now we have the info si twendelee with something useful ama
murchr
#651 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 8:53:15 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
enyands wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
@murchr kwani leo unarain? moody. meza cool pill. Wazua is a source of information.. By asking more we learn more. As you know some companies profiles on net aren't upto date. First hand info is neccesarry.....Take the bold step and elaborate the whole scenario once and for all (i see you got the info).

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

It is almost "end month". Forgive him!!!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Some of us are in this heavily and this scare mongering is not funny at all.

You two show pay me for doing the digging for you. Wazua should be the source of last result after all and sundry. smile

Now, Who attended the AGM? What was the big news apart from dividend?


And make the internet your friend @murchr!

Wazua should be the source of last result after all and sundry. smile

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

What was that story about the Nyani and kundule again???



Drop this nuclear ambition bwana. Seems like guys are armed to teeth .anyway now we have the info si twendelee with something useful ama


@Maich, there's nothing on the internet on what asked by serious investors and more so wazuans and Ochami, Is Ochami in this bus also?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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MaichBlack
#652 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 9:09:21 PM
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Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,567
It is on a light note my brother(s)/sister(s).

Have yourselves a lovely evening.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Mukiri
#653 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 9:21:57 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
By the way, the bonus was at what ratio? Nobody has mentioned that.

Thanks @murchr for the tweets.


1 for every 20 held. And make the internet your friend maich. http://unaitas.com/downl...ial_Statements_2013.pdf

@murchir I think the juror have come out with a verdict . 1 for every 20 feels like a drop in the ocean . The tweeter and past financial have proven to be helpful. Will go full throttle on this .

What do you mean? And why?

Proverbs 19:21
Boris Boyka
#654 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 9:24:21 PM
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Joined: 11/15/2013
Posts: 1,977
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MaichBlack wrote:
It is on a light note my brother(s)/sister(s).

Have yourselves a lovely evening.

As usual men have to brush shoulders a little then sit down at table and Laughing out loudly over something. @murchr thank us for putting you on toes, now you know your money is safe as opposed to team cluless. Either way we ( me & Maich) shall buy you something in next AGM smile
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
enyands
#655 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 9:26:24 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,301
Location: kenya
Mukiri wrote:
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
By the way, the bonus was at what ratio? Nobody has mentioned that.

Thanks @murchr for the tweets.


1 for every 20 held. And make the internet your friend maich. http://unaitas.com/downl...ial_Statements_2013.pdf

@murchir I think the juror have come out with a verdict . 1 for every 20 feels like a drop in the ocean . The tweeter and past financial have proven to be helpful. Will go full throttle on this .

What do you mean? And why?


@mukiri I meant I was dubious and was putting holds , so now I'll get to it full swing now that I have answers
enyands
#656 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 9:37:34 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
It is on in the light note my brother(s)/sister(s).

Have yourselves a lovely evening.

As usual men have to brush shoulders a little then sit down at table and Laughing out loudly over something. @murchr thank us for putting you on toes, now you know your money is safe as opposed to team cluless. Either way we ( me & Maich) shall buy you something in next AGM smile


@borisboyka kwani unanirusha chini ya meza. im the one who triggered the question on BGL when I asked him what more rights do class A have over class B . And he replied that stuff like voting and bonuses. So I triggered the question and murchir triggered answer ...meaning that at AGM wewe na MaichBlack munafaa kuniona kando pia.... on a light note too Applause



target1360
#657 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 9:57:07 PM
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Location: nairobi
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
[quote=MaichBlack]By the way, the bonus was at what ratio? Nobody has mentioned that.

Thanks @murchr for the tweets.


1 for every 20 held. And make the internet your friend maich. http://unaitas.com/downl...ial_Statements_2013.pdf[/quote]


@murchir I think the juror have come out with a verdict . 1 for every 20 feels like a drop in the ocean . The tweeter and past financial have proven to be helpful. Will go full throttle on this .


what if they give such bonusses 100 times or more.do the math and youl realise that is a time bomb.
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
enyands
#658 Posted : Monday, May 25, 2015 10:13:25 PM
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target1360 wrote:
enyands wrote:
murchr wrote:
[quote=MaichBlack]By the way, the bonus was at what ratio? Nobody has mentioned that.

Thanks @murchr for the tweets.


1 for every 20 held. And make the internet your friend maich. http://unaitas.com/downl...ial_Statements_2013.pdf[/quote]


@murchir I think the juror have come out with a verdict . 1 for every 20 feels like a drop in the ocean . The tweeter and past financial have proven to be helpful. Will go full throttle on this .


what if they give such bonusses 100 times or more.do the math and youl realise that is a time bomb.


that only happens just before listing but I don't think the same happens at this juvenile stage though I see your point . It'll raise eyebrows if they did 100 times right now
Aguytrying
#659 Posted : Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:35:13 AM
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what a scare. Glad it wasn't true
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
USMN
#660 Posted : Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:56:25 AM
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Hello Wazua Members,

Allow me to put in a few facts on this matter IMO:

F1. Unaitas has one class of shares. Every member has to own at least the minimum 100 shares, (Max 1M) at Ksh 10 per share. The Shares are not categorized. The shares are not withdrawable but can be transferred to another member, which is in line with Sacco Regulations. Shareholders do earn dividends on the shares annually. To unlock the shareholders wealth, Unaitas wanted to list the shares on the GEMs segment on the NSE (See: http://bit.ly/1Rjqgz6 ) However, the Sacco model where shares continuously sell at the branch(es) (You cannot access services like savings and credit, without being a shareholder in a Sacco) and then at the Bourse is against CMA Regulations. Thus, Unaitas shelved the listing plans (See: http://bit.ly/1RjrA56 ), re-strategized (2014/18) and came up with a plan to unlock the shareholders wealth by transitioning into banking, which will enable them offer a greater allay of services to their members/customers and also allow them to list on the NSE.

F2. There was a bonus issue for shareholders from 2009 backwards. These were the shareholders who held shares before the opening of the bond (Notice that most Saccos have a common bond, e.g. A Sacco for government employees, Another for Company XYZ and such) to allow all Kenyans to join Unaitas. The shareholders who held the shares before the opening of the bond must have asked this question, We have built this organization to where it has come, now that we are opening the bond so that everyone who comes gains from the good foundation we have toiled to lay down, what is in it for us? And I guess in appreciation, of their pioneering spirit, they were given a bonus. Do they expect another bonus? I’d say, certainly not.

F3. Unaitas has been in existence for more than two decades since its inception in 1993 then as a Tea Farmers Sacco. Today, it has 19 Branches and growing. You may have known them when they were Muramati. It is a brand that began humbly and has grown to the Unaitas we know today.

F4. From the little I know of their 2014-2015 Strategic Plan, it stipulates transformation into banking (sometimes in 2016 which is next year) and the listing of their shares on NSE in 2018.

F5. Unaitas is regulated by SASRA (Sacco Society Regulatory Authority)

Have a Look at: THE SACCO SOCIETIES (DEPOSIT―TAKING SACCO BUSINESS) REGULATIONS, 2010 > http://bit.ly/1AqFSfZ

IMO, Unaitas is a brand to watch, whether as a shareholder or as a spectator, you
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