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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Tokyo wrote:The solution to that perennial conflict can only be found from within spearheaded by respectable elders the old African way.
Politicians think of next election , elders concerned about their legacies. Really, I see this more as the proofing ground for our security forces. Send out some 5,000 soldiers/GSU/police to the area with the mandate to recover all the guns. They don't come back if they fail to achieve a certain level of success. Rotate out successful units every 6 months. Within 12 months the guns will be all gone. I have no problem with the communities carrying on with their long tradition of raids but they need to change with time, instead of raids, may be young men can have a wrestling match with the other community to get cattle for bride price etc. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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majimaji wrote:
only Moi knew how to deal with the nonsense of these pastoralist. His government was right at the village level and special branch knew even when the oathing was being done to prepare the raids
Then why dont uhuru appoint him to the board of anti raiders!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Tokyo wrote:The solution to that perennial conflict can only be found from within spearheaded by respectable elders the old African way.
Politicians think of next election , elders concerned about their legacies. Really, I see this more as the proofing ground for our security forces. Send out some 5,000 soldiers/GSU/police to the area with the mandate to recover all the guns. They don't come back if they fail to achieve a certain level of success. Rotate out successful units every 6 months. Within 12 months the guns will be all gone. I have no problem with the communities carrying on with their long tradition of raids but they need to change with time, instead of raids, may be young men can have a wrestling match with the other community to get cattle for bride price etc. Won't they just devolve to using pangas and knives? What I'm saying is Tokyo's is mere NGO-speak. The problem is political and requires new mentalities.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Muriel wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Tokyo wrote:The solution to that perennial conflict can only be found from within spearheaded by respectable elders the old African way.
Politicians think of next election , elders concerned about their legacies. Really, I see this more as the proofing ground for our security forces. Send out some 5,000 soldiers/GSU/police to the area with the mandate to recover all the guns. They don't come back if they fail to achieve a certain level of success. Rotate out successful units every 6 months. Within 12 months the guns will be all gone. I have no problem with the communities carrying on with their long tradition of raids but they need to change with time, instead of raids, may be young men can have a wrestling match with the other community to get cattle for bride price etc. Won't they just devolve to using pangas and knives? What I'm saying is Tokyo's is mere NGO-speak. The problem is political and requires new mentalities. Sure just as what has happened in nigeria with the boko!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Tokyo wrote:The solution to that perennial conflict can only be found from within spearheaded by respectable elders the old African way.
Politicians think of next election , elders concerned about their legacies. Really, I see this more as the proofing ground for our security forces. Send out some 5,000 soldiers/GSU/police to the area with the mandate to recover all the guns. They don't come back if they fail to achieve a certain level of success. Rotate out successful units every 6 months. Within 12 months the guns will be all gone. I have no problem with the communities carrying on with their long tradition of raids but they need to change with time, instead of raids, may be young men can have a wrestling match with the other community to get cattle for bride price etc. When garissa happened we blamed it to shortage of policemen and ordered 10k recruits to report to college,when babu and his stooges had a meeting at uhuru park for dialogue over 10k officers were deployed! does it ring a bell?
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harrydre wrote:Othelo wrote:Kwani how hostile are these regions they keep on being given 3 days, 2 weeks, 1 month never ending ultimatums from different governament bigwings with no action.
JAP fails on the security front YET AGAIN! got nothing to do with JAP 1) they have been raiding each other as a way of life since back in the day. 2) majority of the dead were the raiders themselves. 3) The hatred between the communities is too much, they actually value animal life than themselves 4) The solution would be to educate these people and develop the area, with good roads, infrastructure etc, these stone age raids will be forgotten. JAP is in power so it is their failure.... Didnt PROK give them 3 days some Sunday afternoon last year???? Then what happened, they defied the CIC words. Ati nothing to do with JAP?????????? huh! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Muriel wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Tokyo wrote:The solution to that perennial conflict can only be found from within spearheaded by respectable elders the old African way.
Politicians think of next election , elders concerned about their legacies. Really, I see this more as the proofing ground for our security forces. Send out some 5,000 soldiers/GSU/police to the area with the mandate to recover all the guns. They don't come back if they fail to achieve a certain level of success. Rotate out successful units every 6 months. Within 12 months the guns will be all gone. I have no problem with the communities carrying on with their long tradition of raids but they need to change with time, instead of raids, may be young men can have a wrestling match with the other community to get cattle for bride price etc. Won't they just devolve to using pangas and knives? What I'm saying is Tokyo's is mere NGO-speak. The problem is political and requires new mentalities. Panga's and knives are less harmful than AK-47's. My point is dealing with this menace will take considerable time, to completely disarm these tribes would require years of sustained pressure, not the current start stop ultimatums and press conferences popular with our security leaders. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Muriel wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Tokyo wrote:The solution to that perennial conflict can only be found from within spearheaded by respectable elders the old African way.
Politicians think of next election , elders concerned about their legacies. Really, I see this more as the proofing ground for our security forces. Send out some 5,000 soldiers/GSU/police to the area with the mandate to recover all the guns. They don't come back if they fail to achieve a certain level of success. Rotate out successful units every 6 months. Within 12 months the guns will be all gone. I have no problem with the communities carrying on with their long tradition of raids but they need to change with time, instead of raids, may be young men can have a wrestling match with the other community to get cattle for bride price etc. Won't they just devolve to using pangas and knives? What I'm saying is Tokyo's is mere NGO-speak. The problem is political and requires new mentalities. Panga's and knives are less harmful than AK-47's. My point is dealing with this menace will take considerable time, to completely disarm these tribes would require years of sustained pressure, not the current start stop ultimatums and press conferences popular with our security leaders. With AK 47 death could be achieved from a distance, an impersonal touch, like drones. With a panga one has to be up close enough to touch and to hear even faint whimpers, very personal. To kill with a panga requires a lower level of dehumanization and a higher level of 'excitement'. I agree that sustained pressure is key. This 'pressure' should be defined by us.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Muriel wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Tokyo wrote:The solution to that perennial conflict can only be found from within spearheaded by respectable elders the old African way.
Politicians think of next election , elders concerned about their legacies. Really, I see this more as the proofing ground for our security forces. Send out some 5,000 soldiers/GSU/police to the area with the mandate to recover all the guns. They don't come back if they fail to achieve a certain level of success. Rotate out successful units every 6 months. Within 12 months the guns will be all gone. I have no problem with the communities carrying on with their long tradition of raids but they need to change with time, instead of raids, may be young men can have a wrestling match with the other community to get cattle for bride price etc. Won't they just devolve to using pangas and knives? What I'm saying is Tokyo's is mere NGO-speak. The problem is political and requires new mentalities. Panga's and knives are less harmful than AK-47's. My point is dealing with this menace will take considerable time, to completely disarm these tribes would require years of sustained pressure, not the current start stop ultimatums and press conferences popular with our security leaders. Why care about them? Let them kill each other so long as they don't kill Kenyans.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Another solution would be to recruit those raiders into the army and send them to Somalia. i.am.back!!!!
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