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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Tokyo wrote:Swenani wrote:Tokyo wrote: Swenani wrote:Tokyo wrote:kaka2za wrote:Tokyo wrote:God is a long dead human originally from Middle East. No evidence whatsoever to prove otherwise You could be right. Your god is dead but Jehovah lives forever. Where is evidence The Bible Which bible King James version Why didn't God see it right to let my great grandparents have one ? Who told you they dint have their own form of bible. It doesnt have to be the middle-eastern type. They had the skill of writing, your ancestors had the skill of story telling. Now, if you have not heard that, then why dismiss and call God a middle-eastern man? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/20/2015 Posts: 489 Location: Nairobi
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What a great discussion we have had!! If the Kikuyu or Kalenjins or Luo had gotten civilized as the first group in the world and were able to document their creations stories, then that could be the religion of the world 1000 years later. Assuming the Maasai had written a story of how God lowered them from above using a cow skin and how God instructed them to lead their ways, then go ahead and taught the uncivilized religions of their beliefs, do you know that maybe their story would have been adopted as the true religion of teh world? Its through that same same way that religion exists in the world today. Some pple got civilized faster than others and decided to document and spread their beliefs to the uncivilized!!! I believe that there is a super creator, the one who ensures order in the universe. There surely has to be one. But i do not believe that he had a son through which we should contact him. i also do not believe that there existed a prophet through which people must contact God through him! So Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and all the other religions are just rubbish. My question that i keep wondering about is why does the creator, in this case called God, allow us to suffer then yet he is there? Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:What a great discussion we have had!!
If the Kikuyu or Kalenjins or Luo had gotten civilized as the first group in the world and were able to document their creations stories, then that could be the religion of the world 1000 years later. Assuming the Maasai had written a story of how God lowered them from above using a cow skin and how God instructed them to lead their ways, then go ahead and taught the uncivilized religions of their beliefs, do you know that maybe their story would have been adopted as the true religion of teh world? Its through that same same way that religion exists in the world today. Some pple got civilized faster than others and decided to document and spread their beliefs to the uncivilized!!!
I believe that there is a super creator, the one who ensures order in the universe. There surely has to be one. But i do not believe that he had a son through which we should contact him. i also do not believe that there existed a prophet through which people must contact God through him! So Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and all the other religions are just rubbish.
My question that i keep wondering about is why does the creator, in this case called God, allow us to suffer then yet he is there? Told you earlier its natural selection, that's the order of the universe, suffering is part of it. Those who can live through it survive those who cannot, perish. Just as people die....people are born and so do all other creatures and creations including plants. I wouldnt dismiss people who have been more spiritual than the average. Because even science has proved the existence of people who can communicate with the dead (Mediums, Channelers) the white man called these people witches and wizards when he encountered them in Africa, but in the west, these people are even used by investigators to solve crimes I believe God interacted and continues to interact with people in various ways and not through religion which is a creation of man. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/20/2015 Posts: 489 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:What a great discussion we have had!!
If the Kikuyu or Kalenjins or Luo had gotten civilized as the first group in the world and were able to document their creations stories, then that could be the religion of the world 1000 years later. Assuming the Maasai had written a story of how God lowered them from above using a cow skin and how God instructed them to lead their ways, then go ahead and taught the uncivilized religions of their beliefs, do you know that maybe their story would have been adopted as the true religion of teh world? Its through that same same way that religion exists in the world today. Some pple got civilized faster than others and decided to document and spread their beliefs to the uncivilized!!!
I believe that there is a super creator, the one who ensures order in the universe. There surely has to be one. But i do not believe that he had a son through which we should contact him. i also do not believe that there existed a prophet through which people must contact God through him! So Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and all the other religions are just rubbish.
My question that i keep wondering about is why does the creator, in this case called God, allow us to suffer then yet he is there? Told you earlier its natural selection, that's the order of the universe, suffering is part of it. Those who can live through it survive those who cannot, perish. Just as people die....people are born and so do all other creatures and creations including plants. I wouldnt dismiss people who have been more spiritual than the average. Because even science has proved the existence of people who can communicate with the dead (Mediums, Channelers) the white man called these people witches and wizards when he encountered them in Africa, but in the west, these people are even used by investigators to solve crimes I believe God interacted and continues to interact with people in various ways and not through religion which is a creation of man. I think in some way i can agree with you now! So its like the creator just put us here and says that whoever makes it or not is upto the environment and happenings while he doesnt have a say on how he will control the happenings in the environment!! Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:murchr wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:What a great discussion we have had!!
If the Kikuyu or Kalenjins or Luo had gotten civilized as the first group in the world and were able to document their creations stories, then that could be the religion of the world 1000 years later. Assuming the Maasai had written a story of how God lowered them from above using a cow skin and how God instructed them to lead their ways, then go ahead and taught the uncivilized religions of their beliefs, do you know that maybe their story would have been adopted as the true religion of teh world? Its through that same same way that religion exists in the world today. Some pple got civilized faster than others and decided to document and spread their beliefs to the uncivilized!!!
I believe that there is a super creator, the one who ensures order in the universe. There surely has to be one. But i do not believe that he had a son through which we should contact him. i also do not believe that there existed a prophet through which people must contact God through him! So Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and all the other religions are just rubbish.
My question that i keep wondering about is why does the creator, in this case called God, allow us to suffer then yet he is there? Told you earlier its natural selection, that's the order of the universe, suffering is part of it. Those who can live through it survive those who cannot, perish. Just as people die....people are born and so do all other creatures and creations including plants. I wouldnt dismiss people who have been more spiritual than the average. Because even science has proved the existence of people who can communicate with the dead (Mediums, Channelers) the white man called these people witches and wizards when he encountered them in Africa, but in the west, these people are even used by investigators to solve crimes I believe God interacted and continues to interact with people in various ways and not through religion which is a creation of man. I think in some way i can agree with you now! So its like the creator just put us here and says that whoever makes it or not is upto the environment and happenings while he doesnt have a say on how he will control the happenings in the environment!! We have been given survival instincts to live, if they betray us, we die. Eg...if you woke up today and found yourself in the middle of the mara, and it so happens some animal eg lion...is hungry..its up to you to use your brain and run....climb on top of a tree or find other ways of surviving if you cannot...you will be some animal's breakfast. The same goes for diseases, if you dont get the right care your guess is as good as mine. The other forces of nature have to go on too...when earthquakes occur on earth, man is caught up..if they occur in the sea/oceans..the fishes are caught up, if the Tsunami occurs and man is caught up, those who can swim and get off the tides survive. C'est la vie! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2010 Posts: 625
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Mukiri wrote:Go make soil (that which is said we are made of?), then make a human being... then come, and we can discuss God's existance.
ION Wisdom tells us not to answer a fool according to his folly! A more useful experiment would be to bring the mound of dirt and ask the Gods of various religions such as Christianity, Islam, African traditions etc to create a human out of it. So we can eliminate the posers.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/20/2015 Posts: 489 Location: Nairobi
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mv_ufanisi wrote:Mukiri wrote:Go make soil (that which is said we are made of?), then make a human being... then come, and we can discuss God's existance.
ION Wisdom tells us not to answer a fool according to his folly! A more useful experiment would be to bring the mound of dirt and ask the Gods of various religions such as Christianity, Islam, African traditions etc to create a human out of it. So we can eliminate the posers. You have a very solid point MV. If trully their Gods are true, waletewe udongo wote then they try creating humans!! Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:mv_ufanisi wrote:Mukiri wrote:Go make soil (that which is said we are made of?), then make a human being... then come, and we can discuss God's existance.
ION Wisdom tells us not to answer a fool according to his folly! A more useful experiment would be to bring the mound of dirt and ask the Gods of various religions such as Christianity, Islam, African traditions etc to create a human out of it. So we can eliminate the posers. You have a very solid point MV. If trully their Gods are true, waletewe udongo wote then they try creating humans!!  Trying to twist my words? I talked about YOU and ME... Not GOD! If you can create, we'll talk! If I create, hopefully you'll allow us to talk! If neither of US can, then what is there to discuss... ? You were created, I was created, no? You did not create me, neither did I create you... You believe what you want to believe about your creation, I'll do so with mine. Live and let live 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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ever watched the movie the count of Monte Cristo? there that scene where Edmond Dantes is taken to Chateau d'If and the conversation with the warden is mind blowing.... mind blowing... Quote:
Dorleac: And if you're thinking just now 'Why me, oh God?' the answer is: God has nothing to do with it. In fact, God is never in France this time of year.
Edmond: God has everything to do with it. He's everywhere. He sees everything.
Dorleac: Alright. Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask God for help and I'll stop the moment he shows up.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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NTV have a short one as regards garissa attacks dubbed 'Children of a lesser god' Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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