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Greece is broke
VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:37:37 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:

VVs- free market capitalism is a textbook theory that will never work in any country

Who says it cant work? No-one has let it do its job...

Keynesian economics (& its popularity with politicians) is the problem...

And which system do you consider 'works'?
Socialism?
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guru267
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:16:32 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
VVs- free market capitalism is a textbook theory that will never work in any country


@Wa_ithaka how can you say free market/capitalism will never work???
to my understanding capitalism has nothing to do with govt spending...
but since you are critizing capitalism then i'm assuming you support socialism.. i ask.. wont socialism increase government expenditure exponentially and reduce government revenue due to lack of a private sector??? how does socialism repair a govt debt crisis???
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Wa_ithaka
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:36:54 AM
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I ofcourse don't support socialism. I am not dogmatic. I support the Nordic model that combines some aspects of capitalism and some aspects of socialism under controlled govt spending...
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guru267
#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:39:31 AM
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what aspects of socialism do you support???
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Wa_ithaka
#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:47:36 AM
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guru267-can i set some homework for u fella? Please google Nordic economic model
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guru267
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:01:44 PM
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@wa_ithaka.. the homework is fine maybe you should do some yourself on my profile because i'm definately not a FELLA...
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Wa_ithaka
#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:19:25 PM
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guru267- I am very sorry
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FundamentAli
#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 2:18:29 PM
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How did the PIIGS get there? One condition of Joining the Euro is that your budget deficit should not exceed a certain percentage of your GDP. If this is maintained, then the country should not have a problem. It looks like policing is not being carried out probably.

Did someone once refer to the Bible and said that the Eurozone will only have 10 countries at the end of the day? Any 'Preachers' in the house?

Closer home, China sent Mugabe a birthday cake. Zimbabwe has never defaulted on its debt repayments internal and external despite the crisis. This tells alot.
guru267
#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 2:32:54 PM
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@FundamentalAli the countries in the were not given any requirements but were given a deadline of 2015 to bring their deficits down below 10% of GDP... so the countries still have time
you seem to be mistaking a debt crisis with defaulting on a debt???

i dont think any eurozone country has defaulted yet..
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guru267
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 2:33:55 PM
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@FundamentalAli the countries in the were not given any requirements but were given a deadline of 2015 to bring their deficits down below 10% of GDP... so the countries still have time
you seem to be mistaking a debt crisis with defaulting on a debt???

i dont think any eurozone country has defaulted yet..
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Wa_ithaka
#31 Posted : Tuesday, February 23, 2010 2:53:25 PM
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Fu-ali, you are absoultely right and they all had to do it I think by 12 at the latest. There has been little adherence to the range within which the countries could be in deficit. Interestingly, Spain Portugal and the hard of hearing Greks were warned about their deficits only last yr. Italy has broken its range perpetually.
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madollar
#32 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2015 12:11:20 PM
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sparkly wrote:
My understanding is that this country borrowed too much public debt. It needs tonnes of debt to redeem the outstanding debt but no one in EU is ready to lend. Will china step in, to stamp its authority as a global powerhouse? Besides It has the dollars to lend...

Banks shut down ATM withdrawals limited to 67$ per day can even begin to imagine a replica situation here ,social chaos
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#33 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2015 1:02:54 PM
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And to my understanding the country does not have any natural resources other than the many Islands
Othelo
#34 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2015 1:06:45 PM
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How can a whole country be broke & they are not at war? asking for a friend...
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streetwise
#35 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2015 1:50:59 PM
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More important how will they pay the bail outs .
hisah
#36 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2015 2:46:26 PM
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Sh** got ugly! CDS froth coming up.

I want Hellena to default with a straight face on the banksters. I want a spectacular action packed drama that the press can't keep up smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#37 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2015 2:49:40 PM
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Even western union in Greece is shutdown services for the week.

http://www.reuters.com/a...0P915J20150629?irpc=932
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
murchr
#38 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2015 11:20:08 PM
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ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Anxious pensioners swarmed closed bank branches Monday and long lines snaked outside ATMs as Greeks endured the first day of serious controls on their daily economic lives ahead of a July 5 referendum that could determine whether the country has to ditch the euro currency and return to the drachma

"I came here at 4 a.m. because I have to get my pension," said 74-year-old Anastasios Gevelidis, one of about 100 retirees waiting outside the main branch of the National Bank of Greece in the country's second-largest city of Thessaloniki.

Elderly people, who usually get their pensions at the end of the month, wait outside a closed bank i …
"I don't have a card. I don't know what's going on. We don't even have enough money to buy bread," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/gr...-102555417--finance.html
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hisah
#39 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2015 2:53:48 PM
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T - 11hrs to go before default is declared...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2015 3:39:53 PM
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hisah wrote:
T - 11hrs to go before default is declared...

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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