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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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Njung'e wrote:Ruto has become too much talk and no work.No camp will be closed anytimea soon.The other idea of a fence along the border is a very silly idea coz i do not think we have capacity to patrol and maintain it. That money is better spent identifying the "enemy" within. @guka... our problems have been our skewed policies which are never revised. look at police recruitment that will take place soon. What will for instance be the composition of the recruits vis-a-vis police categories? We will recruit like 8,000 blue uniformed who will soon be useless to security after graduation maybe 1000 GSU and the rest will be AP na katharika. Instead recruit 10000 recce and intelligence officers, those blue fellows we have enough. Then equip them and have several bases like Recce Garissa, Recce turkana, Recce mandera, Recce isiolo, etc I mean do we need more regular police men in Kenya? By the way what are they trained to do coz they never have saved any situation (reminds me of buruburu incident where they spent a whole day shooting at the door only for some GSU fellas to appear and do the job in 5 minutes.) And westgate where reservist did better? So PORK/DPORK/IGP/Kavilondo whom are you recruiting?? When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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kingfisher wrote:Njung'e wrote:Ruto has become too much talk and no work.No camp will be closed anytimea soon.The other idea of a fence along the border is a very silly idea coz i do not think we have capacity to patrol and maintain it. That money is better spent identifying the "enemy" within. @guka... our problems have been our skewed policies which are never revised. look at police recruitment that will take place soon. What will for instance be the composition of the recruits vis-a-vis police categories? We will recruit like 8,000 blue uniformed who will soon be useless to security after graduation maybe 1000 GSU and the rest will be AP na katharika. Instead recruit 10000 recce and intelligence officers, those blue fellows we have enough. Then equip them and have several bases like Recce Garissa, Recce turkana, Recce mandera, Recce isiolo, etc I mean do we need more regular police men in Kenya? By the way what are they trained to do coz they never have saved any situation (reminds me of buruburu incident where they spent a whole day shooting at the door only for some GSU fellas to appear and do the job in 5 minutes.) And westgate where reservist did better? So PORK/DPORK/IGP/Kavilondo whom are you recruiting?? How now, Based on you post, one would think there are special category of Kenyans who qualify as recce. I assume what you meant is that we should train 10,000!! cops as special ops (Recce). Not possible. By their nature, special ops forces are meant to be few and very mission oriented. They focus on surgical strikes and cannot replace regular police coz they happen to be very expensive to train and maintain. We don't need a whole lot of them, we however need means to move them rapidly around the country when needed. The reality is that the blue uniforms (first responders) are the most important cog of the police force, they are many so can cover larger areas, prevent more crime and even gather more intelligence. When they fail to act, the system must suffer losses. The Recce and spec ops may be fancy but could not stop the butchering of 150 innocent souls. Lets go for better recruiting, training accommodation remuneration and general management of the rank and file cops and then demand accountability from them. The very best from the recruits can be elevated to Recce etc. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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murchr wrote:Makali1 wrote:limanika wrote: Any Somali who cannot prove he is kenyan is houded quickly to dadaab. At the end of the excercise, ship everyone to Somalia. If you force the refugees right now against wishes of international community, you will end up with humanitarian crisis since there is no housing, food etc in Somalia. Plus if you close the camp now, then 6 months down the line you realize there ate 1m illegal Somalis in Kenya, where do you take the egg on your face? @limanika, I agree. No Somali is going to volunteer to leave Dadaab and go back to their homeland. There's nothing in Somalia except death, disease, hunger, poverty etc. If we close that camp in 3 months all those people living there will go to Garissa first, and because NEP is too small to host them, they will move into mainland Kenya for greener pastures. A CNN journalist went undercover and in that video you could see hundreds of Somalis bribing and illegally crossing into Kenya, per day!! Why is the govt of Kenya turning a blind eye to this MASSIVE, ILLEGAL INVASION of Somali Muslims into our country? Can't anyone else see that this is a matter of national security? Closing this camp will be the end of our carefree Kenyan, secular culture as you know it. Welcome to Sharia Law, welcome Islamic mosques littering your neighborhood and adhan calls disrupting your sleep and moods. Your comments expose how you are out of touch with the reality that is Kenya Did i not read somewhere the other day about the KCB islamic banking and women in fullahs !
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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Who heard about the French closure of the refugee camp in Sangatte in the north ? it was done several years ago and this is what we have in Calais nowadays yet no one talks.  . Close the god***mn camp. We have suffered enough being good neighbors.Didn't the UK say the other day they woul establish Somali refugees homes in E.Afrika? no one wants them.Why us ? the only Somalis to emigrate en masse to the US were Bantu Somalis. Look at the nordic countries like Sweden which used to welcome them ! pole pole .Go DP.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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UNHCR saying: "nevertheless concerned that abruptly closing the Dadaab camps and forcing refugees back to Somalia would have extreme humanitarian and practical consequences, and would be a breach of Kenya's international obligations." http://www.unhcr.org/552d12c49.html
Ke Gov is for relocating the camp, not doing away with the camp all together, so UNHCR can continue rendering their services from Somalia. Kenya can only fulfill their international obligations if those obligations do not compromise national security or cost the nation lives of citizens. On other talks: C&P from comments from http://www.the-star.co.k...move-refugees-out-kenya
[-] "UNHCR is spending billions of it's finances (donated funds) on foreign employees who all get their high risk allowances." [-] Including hefty medical insurance for themselves and their families (or partners) back home, comfortable (upscale) living conditions, fully paid airfare, vacations to any destination of their choice in South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Madagascar, Seychelles, Cape Verde, Mauritius, Morocco, Middle East, Asia, Caribbean, Europe, etc. [-] Ironically, the UNHCR has continued to use the northern and north-eastern regions of the country for its own calculated political agendas and economic ends dating back to the early 1960s. [-] Further, the UNHCR has always abused the Kenyan hospitality on numerous of occasions, but it has never bothered to build a single modern regional (children and women's) hospital, several modern primary schools, secondary schools, colleges or technical institutions, rural access roads, let alone advocate for the growing of trees that are adaptable to the semi-arid climate in northern and north-eastern parts of the country. [-] As expected, the lame excuse used or employed as a cover and strategic defence is always, "the refugees camps are temporary, the refugees ("human commodities") are not intended to stay in one place for far too long," because the UNHCR makeshift structures are only meant to act as processing facilities in a remote region of a third world country. [-] And by the way, is it any surprising that the resumes of most former wazungu contractors, sub-contractors, and employees are highlighted and heavily beefed up with the so-called work related projects ("managerial or supervisory experience") done at various refugee camps in the northern and north-eastern regions of Kenya? [-] UNHCR had real good intentions when it first established the refugee camps five decades ago, but then its policies were not well thought-out, and they have continued to be poorly executed amid colossal wastage of billions and billions of dollars with zero tangibles to show for since the early 1960s. [-] Enough said about the UNHCR's questionable modus operandi, its money making strategies and well oiled machinery in Kenya and rest of the African continent.They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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D32 wrote:UNHCR saying: "nevertheless concerned that abruptly closing the Dadaab camps and forcing refugees back to Somalia would have extreme humanitarian and practical consequences, and would be a breach of Kenya's international obligations." http://www.unhcr.org/552d12c49.html
Ke Gov is for relocating the camp, not doing away with the camp all together, so UNHCR can continue rendering their services from Somalia. Kenya can only fulfill their international obligations if those obligations do not compromise national security or cost the nation lives of citizens. On other talks: C&P from comments from http://www.the-star.co.k...move-refugees-out-kenya
[-] "UNHCR is spending billions of it's finances (donated funds) on foreign employees who all get their high risk allowances." [-] Including hefty medical insurance for themselves and their families (or partners) back home, comfortable (upscale) living conditions, fully paid airfare, vacations to any destination of their choice in South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Madagascar, Seychelles, Cape Verde, Mauritius, Morocco, Middle East, Asia, Caribbean, Europe, etc. [-] Ironically, the UNHCR has continued to use the northern and north-eastern regions of the country for its own calculated political agendas and economic ends dating back to the early 1960s. [-] Further, the UNHCR has always abused the Kenyan hospitality on numerous of occasions, but it has never bothered to build a single modern regional (children and women's) hospital, several modern primary schools, secondary schools, colleges or technical institutions, rural access roads, let alone advocate for the growing of trees that are adaptable to the semi-arid climate in northern and north-eastern parts of the country. [-] As expected, the lame excuse used or employed as a cover and strategic defence is always, "the refugees camps are temporary, the refugees ("human commodities") are not intended to stay in one place for far too long," because the UNHCR makeshift structures are only meant to act as processing facilities in a remote region of a third world country. [-] And by the way, is it any surprising that the resumes of most former wazungu contractors, sub-contractors, and employees are highlighted and heavily beefed up with the so-called work related projects ("managerial or supervisory experience") done at various refugee camps in the northern and north-eastern regions of Kenya? [-] UNHCR had real good intentions when it first established the refugee camps five decades ago, but then its policies were not well thought-out, and they have continued to be poorly executed amid colossal wastage of billions and billions of dollars with zero tangibles to show for since the early 1960s. [-] Enough said about the UNHCR's questionable modus operandi, its money making strategies and well oiled machinery in Kenya and rest of the African continent. Yes. Absolutely. UN and all its arms and legs are not for the good of the common mwananchi. They have their own hidden agendas.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Dadaab to be closed-CS Nkaissery If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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So, UN diplomats are here trying to convince Kenya to keep the camp open, then soon, apparently the Turkish prez is coming, perhaps for the same reason, that he is an example of taking refugees. The camp is just a cash cow to the UN. http://www.the-star.co.k...t-kenya-in-june_c1354227They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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[quote=D32]So, UN diplomats are here trying to convince Kenya to keep the camp open, then soon, apparently the Turkish prez is coming, perhaps for the same reason, that he is an example of taking refugees. The camp is just a cash cow to the UN. http://www.the-star.co.k...-kenya-in-june_c1354227[/quote] Turkish Prime Minister resigns http://www.dailymail.co....stalled-new-leader.html
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