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Hillary Clinton presidential bid
washiku
#21 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2015 4:22:49 PM
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TAZ wrote:
@Alba.....According to the ratings Jeb Bush is actually the most popular

http://www.cnn.com/2015/...l-republicans-jeb-bush/

As for Hillary Clinton, i think she will find herself in a vulnerable spot on foreign policy among the potential candidates....she will be an easy target for the republicans.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/...illary-clinton-critics/

"In conversations with grassroots Democrats around the country and in key nominating states, there is renewed concern that Clinton is saddled with too much baggage and dubious political instincts that could sink her against the GOP nominee if the kinks are not worked out in a contested primary." CNN


Why do they like the Bush peoplesmile
Alba
#22 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2015 4:40:17 PM
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TAZ wrote:
@Alba.....According to the ratings Jeb Bush is actually the most popular

http://www.cnn.com/2015/...l-republicans-jeb-bush/



The problem with Bush is that though he is the most popular due to name recognition, there is a significant proportion of republicans who do not like his policies.

He may very well win the primary. In fact he will likely win the primary. But on election day, many republicans could chose to stay at home and not vote.

Winning a primary is a completely different task than winning the national election. A person can win a primary even if most republicans do not like him. You need only about 8 million votes. This is because the field is so fragmented.

To win a national election, you have to convince over 60 million people to go to the polls and vote for you

John McCain had a similar problem in 2008. Too many republicans did not like him. He won the fragmented primary with about 9 million votes. But on election day, too many republicans stayed home and he got only 59 million votes against Obama's 69 million votes.

Alba
#23 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2015 5:06:58 PM
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TAZ wrote:


As for Hillary Clinton, i think she will find herself in a vulnerable spot on foreign policy among the potential candidates....she will be an easy target for the republicans.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/...illary-clinton-critics/

"In conversations with grassroots Democrats around the country and in key nominating states, there is renewed concern that Clinton is saddled with too much baggage and dubious political instincts that could sink her against the GOP nominee if the kinks are not worked out in a contested primary." CNN


Foreign policy is over-rated by the media. Obama pummeled McCain into the ground in 2008 yet McCains biggest strength was foreign policy and Obama had zero foregn policy experience.
The only aspect of foreign policy that is factor is Israel. In America, every politician must pay hommage to Israel and quite literally face the Mountains of Jerusalem. Hillary can do that easily.

As far as Hillary having too much baggage, I am sorry but Democrats have no other choice. Whom else will they vote for? Biden (too gaffe prone), Bernie sanders (no personality), O'Malley (Nobody knows him). Elizabeth Warren( poor campaigner and no personality). The only hope for a real challenger is if Al Gore comes back which was being rumoured a few weeks back.
Swenani
#24 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2015 6:55:18 PM
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washiku wrote:
TAZ wrote:
@Alba.....According to the ratings Jeb Bush is actually the most popular

http://www.cnn.com/2015/...l-republicans-jeb-bush/

As for Hillary Clinton, i think she will find herself in a vulnerable spot on foreign policy among the potential candidates....she will be an easy target for the republicans.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/...illary-clinton-critics/

"In conversations with grassroots Democrats around the country and in key nominating states, there is renewed concern that Clinton is saddled with too much baggage and dubious political instincts that could sink her against the GOP nominee if the kinks are not worked out in a contested primary." CNN


Why do they like the Bush peoplesmile


They are industrialized and guys from bush are very rare thus the liking for bush people
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Rollout
#25 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2015 7:52:16 PM
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Alba wrote:
TAZ wrote:


As for Hillary Clinton, i think she will find herself in a vulnerable spot on foreign policy among the potential candidates....she will be an easy target for the republicans.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/...illary-clinton-critics/

"In conversations with grassroots Democrats around the country and in key nominating states, there is renewed concern that Clinton is saddled with too much baggage and dubious political instincts that could sink her against the GOP nominee if the kinks are not worked out in a contested primary." CNN


Foreign policy is over-rated by the media. Obama pummeled McCain into the ground in 2008 yet McCains biggest strength was foreign policy and Obama had zero foregn policy experience.
The only aspect of foreign policy that is factor is Israel. In America, every politician must pay hommage to Israel and quite literally face the Mountains of Jerusalem. Hillary can do that easily.

As far as Hillary having too much baggage, I am sorry but Democrats have no other choice. Whom else will they vote for? Biden (too gaffe prone), Bernie sanders (no personality), O'Malley (Nobody knows him). Elizabeth Warren( poor campaigner and no personality). The only hope for a real challenger is if Al Gore comes back which was being rumoured a few weeks back.


@Alba, I think Elizabeth Warren can challenge Hillary, she is smart, passionate about the stuff she cares about and she comes out more authentic than Hillary. Unfortunately she is not running at therefore Hilary has this. Other than that agree with your argument.

@TAZ, your Friend is probably very uninformed about politics. I personally like Jeb Bush, I think he is the only GOPier who can beat Hillary, he has two problems however.

1) He might not win GOP primary because of the crazy fring of Republican party including social conservartives and tea party folks. He is at the center is many key issues including immigration and social issues, good candidate for general election but not good for republican primary

2) He might be force to move too far to the right to win the primary and then have to pivot back to the center for general election. That's what happened to Romney in 2012, it's called flip flop in American politics it's a career killer.

In general, alotof things are working against any potential republican candidate, the biggest one being demographic shift; as a matter of fact GOP is in a brick of extinction because the voters are getting; Younger, more liberal, pro choice, anti-war, non religious and more diversed. Things that won elections in 2000s like national security/ projecting military power is non start now. Now social conservatives/ religous platforms that controlled American politics for over a century are now percieved as crazy if you run on those platform. GOP have a bigger battle than Hillary and Democratic party; they have a battle of idiology.
Alba
#26 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2015 8:01:02 PM
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Rollout wrote:


@Alba, I think Elizabeth Warren can challenge Hillary, she is smart, passionate about the stuff she cares about and she comes out more authentic than Hillary. Unfortunately she is not running at therefore Hilary has this. Other than that agree with your argument.



But being smart and passionate does not cut it.
Obama rose rapidly because of his oratory skills, charisma, personality, was a good communicator, excellent campaigner, good debater. Elizabeth Warren has none of that. Plus Hillary will out-raise her by a factor of 10 to 1. Remember that big business tolerates Hillary but is afraid of Warren. Plus Hillary has established donors.

I like Elizabeth Warren. But she would be eaten alive in those presidential debates and on the campaign trail she will not get anyone excited.

However I would like to see Warren in the democratic primary so she can hold Hillary accountable for "occupy wall street" type issues.
mkeiy
#27 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2015 8:17:49 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
Impunity wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
Impunity wrote:
McReggae wrote:
The next US president, after electing a black to be the president, now they will elect a woman president!!


NEVER EVER!

Never say "never".

Its time for GOP.
Iranian *ss need to be kicked.
Shame on you

The waters are too murky in the Middle East for a new war to be waged.

Why do you think the US has been pushing for the Iranian nuclear deal?

Only the Jewish state is crying for war, the rest of the West has seen "the light". It's too dark in the Middle East lest you opt to grope.

I don't like the GOP war-mongering.

@mkeiy uko nyuma sana if you didn't know Israel is US by proxy Laughing out loudly




@Alph. Not on the current deal.

Care to tell me why/what Bibi was doing in the US Congress just before the elections? Wouldn't the Jewish nation be knowing more than you and I?


Conspiracy theories save for another day another thread.
Rollout
#28 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2015 8:25:43 PM
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Alba wrote:
Rollout wrote:


@Alba, I think Elizabeth Warren can challenge Hillary, she is smart, passionate about the stuff she cares about and she comes out more authentic than Hillary. Unfortunately she is not running at therefore Hilary has this. Other than that agree with your argument.



But being smart and passionate does not cut it.
Obama rose rapidly because of his oratory skills, charisma, personality, was a good communicator, excellent campaigner, good debater. Elizabeth Warren has none of that. Plus Hillary will out-raise her by a factor of 10 to 1. Remember that big business tolerates Hillary but is afraid of Warren. Plus Hillary has established donors.

I like Elizabeth Warren. But she would be eaten alive in those presidential debates and on the campaign trail she will not get anyone excited.

However I would like to see Warren in the democratic primary so she can hold Hillary accountable for "occupy wall street" type issues.


Surprisingly, I think Elizabeth Warren will do better than Hillary in debates she is also know to excite crowds because of her populists policies.

Again, I was Obama supporter in 2008 and like most of us, Hillary is "likeable enough" so you might want to discount some of my critism against her as driven by inherent bias.
Alba
#29 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2015 10:56:52 PM
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@Rollout
I would really like to see Warren in the primary so she can be battle tested. I am not sure the Massachusetts senate run tested her because she ran unopposed in the Democratic primary and the general election was just hers for the taking. If she beats Clinton in debates and if she proves to be a good campaigner, people will jump on her bandwagon.

Unfortunately right now she has not proven anything yet. Obama dove in and convinced everyone in 2008 against tall odds. But Obama was already a sensation since he gave the speech in 2004 democratic convention.

Sasa Warren kazi kwako. Its a very tall order though. I do not see Democrats denying Billary Clintons twice.
harrydre
#30 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2015 12:07:00 AM
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this will be a landslide for Hillary and a history in the making wapende wasipende.
i.am.back!!!!
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