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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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villageseer wrote:
Why do we Kenyans forget things so fast? A few years ago, Kenya Government, Somali Government and UNHCR(United Nations High Commission Refugee) signed an Agreement on closing of the Dadaab camp!! This happens during Kibaki regime.
@Villageseer,No where in the tripartate agreement did it state that Daadab camp will be closed. The Tripartate agreements spelt the framework to guide the repatriation which should be voluntary. That is what Kibaki's govt signed not closure of Daadab camp. Moreover UNHCR signed a security partnership project with the Kenyan government within which UNHCR agreed to support Kenya security personnel with accommodation,construction of police posts and procurement of vehicles to be used within refugees camps at the request of the Kenyan government If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Impunity wrote:What is the distance between Daadab camp and the Kenya-Somalia border?
The Daadab camp is about 350km from the Kenya Somali Boarder. Ruto is not being honest here, he knows very well that chances of the camp closing in 3 months are close to nil mostly because of international laws and even the logistical practicality of it all. However, the gava should use this opportunity to bleed the international community for funding support. The insecurity cost associated with hosting this camps should be worth a minimum Usd 2 million (same as the military aid the US gives Egypt). We should be robustly pushing for such funds from the EU, US, Asia and the UN. We also need to audit the Somali population to determine the Kenyan and non Kenyan somali people living in Kenya. Daadab is not the real problem, I believe the illegal and legal somali refugees are the real problems. And they happen to be all over the place in neighbourhoods like Eistleigh and South C. The gava needs to flash them. Out of interest, where do Somali people get capital from, they seem to have alot of capital outlay for any business venture they enter. I don't think they turn decent profits (on the basis of their cheap prices) but the businesses keep going and they continously inject additional funds. Its very few somali's who are moneyed,otherwise most of them are extremely poor. They get cash from the the activities and business at kismayu port. Most wholesalers in Nairobi are owned by somali Kenyans since they can easily import duty free goods through kismayu unlike the asians who are closing down most of their shops since its no longer profitable.The tax free mitumba and clothes is supplied by somalis as far as TZ and congo. Why would they not be monied If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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tycho wrote:Are there precepts that one can use to ensure proper and correct reasoning? Yes. Observe the below: Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:This is very shallow!This is the mentality of us against them! harrydre wrote:You are either a sympathizer or one of the kebabs. That's the route for arms and radicals. Close the godamn camp! Coolio wrote:What's your old handle Mr/ Mrs sympathizer? So what is deep? The mentality of them against who? The mentality of us for us and them against them See?
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While are it, none of those involved in attacks was a native Somali from Somalia. They were mostly Kenyans who went to Somalia, trained, and came back thro corrupt means and reactivated Kenyan heritage to pass undetected. The mess in security and pedestrian approach will most likely cost the duo the election in 2017, however, this will not be the worst effect of the shabab menace. The worst is that Kenya is suffering, despite paying taxes for certain people to think and provide solutions
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Impunity wrote:What is the distance between Daadab camp and the Kenya-Somalia border?
The Daadab camp is about 350km from the Kenya Somali Boarder. Ruto is not being honest here, he knows very well that chances of the camp closing in 3 months are close to nil mostly because of international laws and even the logistical practicality of it all. However, the gava should use this opportunity to bleed the international community for funding support. The insecurity cost associated with hosting this camps should be worth a minimum Usd 2 million (same as the military aid the US gives Egypt). We should be robustly pushing for such funds from the EU, US, Asia and the UN. We also need to audit the Somali population to determine the Kenyan and non Kenyan somali people living in Kenya. Daadab is not the real problem, I believe the illegal and legal somali refugees are the real problems. And they happen to be all over the place in neighbourhoods like Eistleigh and South C. The gava needs to flash them. Out of interest, where do Somali people get capital from, they seem to have alot of capital outlay for any business venture they enter. I don't think they turn decent profits (on the basis of their cheap prices) but the businesses keep going and they continously inject additional funds. I like
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Swenani wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Impunity wrote:What is the distance between Daadab camp and the Kenya-Somalia border?
The Daadab camp is about 350km from the Kenya Somali Boarder. Ruto is not being honest here, he knows very well that chances of the camp closing in 3 months are close to nil mostly because of international laws and even the logistical practicality of it all. However, the gava should use this opportunity to bleed the international community for funding support. The insecurity cost associated with hosting this camps should be worth a minimum Usd 2 million (same as the military aid the US gives Egypt). We should be robustly pushing for such funds from the EU, US, Asia and the UN. We also need to audit the Somali population to determine the Kenyan and non Kenyan somali people living in Kenya. Daadab is not the real problem, I believe the illegal and legal somali refugees are the real problems. And they happen to be all over the place in neighbourhoods like Eistleigh and South C. The gava needs to flash them. Out of interest, where do Somali people get capital from, they seem to have alot of capital outlay for any business venture they enter. I don't think they turn decent profits (on the basis of their cheap prices) but the businesses keep going and they continously inject additional funds. Its very few somali's who are moneyed,otherwise most of them are extremely poor. They get cash from the the activities and business at kismayu port. Most wholesalers in Nairobi are owned by somali Kenyans since they can easily import duty free goods through kismayu unlike the asians who are closing down most of their shops since its no longer profitable.The tax free mitumba and clothes is supplied by somalis as far as TZ and congo. Why would they not be monied In Nairobi CBD, a good number of eating places are now wariahe
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Impunity wrote:What is the distance between Daadab camp and the Kenya-Somalia border?
..worth a minimum Usd 2 million (same as the military aid the US gives Egypt). . Acha meni...the US gives Misri btn $1b and $2b p.a in military aid
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Ruto has become too much talk and no work.No camp will be closed anytimea soon.The other idea of a fence along the border is a very silly idea coz i do not think we have capacity to patrol and maintain it. That money is better spent identifying the "enemy" within. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Swenani wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Impunity wrote:What is the distance between Daadab camp and the Kenya-Somalia border?
The Daadab camp is about 350km from the Kenya Somali Boarder. Ruto is not being honest here, he knows very well that chances of the camp closing in 3 months are close to nil mostly because of international laws and even the logistical practicality of it all. However, the gava should use this opportunity to bleed the international community for funding support. The insecurity cost associated with hosting this camps should be worth a minimum Usd 2 million (same as the military aid the US gives Egypt). We should be robustly pushing for such funds from the EU, US, Asia and the UN. We also need to audit the Somali population to determine the Kenyan and non Kenyan somali people living in Kenya. Daadab is not the real problem, I believe the illegal and legal somali refugees are the real problems. And they happen to be all over the place in neighbourhoods like Eistleigh and South C. The gava needs to flash them. Out of interest, where do Somali people get capital from, they seem to have alot of capital outlay for any business venture they enter. I don't think they turn decent profits (on the basis of their cheap prices) but the businesses keep going and they continously inject additional funds. Its very few somali's who are moneyed,otherwise most of them are extremely poor. They get cash from the the activities and business at kismayu port. Most wholesalers in Nairobi are owned by somali Kenyans since they can easily import duty free goods through kismayu unlike the asians who are closing down most of their shops since its no longer profitable.The tax free mitumba and clothes is supplied by somalis as far as TZ and congo. Why would they not be monied In Nairobi CBD, a good number of eating places are now wariahe They thrive through "JAMAA". A group of wazee come together from all angles, herdsmen, businessmen, and they select a committee from among the members, pool money together and invest. Most of the members don't even come to City. They chill huku machinani and by trust money is invested and profits shared according to shares. Then, they give a lot on charity. As a result, God bless them more.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Swenani wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Impunity wrote:What is the distance between Daadab camp and the Kenya-Somalia border?
The Daadab camp is about 350km from the Kenya Somali Boarder. Ruto is not being honest here, he knows very well that chances of the camp closing in 3 months are close to nil mostly because of international laws and even the logistical practicality of it all. However, the gava should use this opportunity to bleed the international community for funding support. The insecurity cost associated with hosting this camps should be worth a minimum Usd 2 million (same as the military aid the US gives Egypt). We should be robustly pushing for such funds from the EU, US, Asia and the UN. We also need to audit the Somali population to determine the Kenyan and non Kenyan somali people living in Kenya. Daadab is not the real problem, I believe the illegal and legal somali refugees are the real problems. And they happen to be all over the place in neighbourhoods like Eistleigh and South C. The gava needs to flash them. Out of interest, where do Somali people get capital from, they seem to have alot of capital outlay for any business venture they enter. I don't think they turn decent profits (on the basis of their cheap prices) but the businesses keep going and they continously inject additional funds. Its very few somali's who are moneyed,otherwise most of them are extremely poor. They get cash from the the activities and business at kismayu port. Most wholesalers in Nairobi are owned by somali Kenyans since they can easily import duty free goods through kismayu unlike the asians who are closing down most of their shops since its no longer profitable.The tax free mitumba and clothes is supplied by somalis as far as TZ and congo. Why would they not be monied that used to be then before KDF took over that port. Now babu and his ilk want them to leave which means Shabaabs will regain control, piracy will sky rocket, ransom money, more arms and more terror activity! Close the damn camps!! i.am.back!!!!
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