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Why closing Dadaab camp is a bad idea
Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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Makali1 wrote:I am a 100% peace loving Christian KENYAN who is disgusted and fed up by Islamic terrorists attacking innocent Kenyans. I'm also very, very ANGRY at being fooled and taken for granted by the government.
I just posited a sober analysis instead of the knee-jerk reaction to close Dadaab which was actually proposed by "Somali Kenyans" in high ranking government positions for ex. Mr Duale. Suspiciously enough, it was only after getting Duale's/Somali "blessings" that Mr Ruto reiterated the same position about closing Dadaab camp and made it the official government stance.
Now, my friends, Mr Duale is the same man who apparently has a list of terrorist supporters. Does this man have our best interests at heart? That is for you to answer. He knows who financed terrorists, yet is only now coming up with this so-called list. Why didn't he alert the govt beforehand? Does anyone recall what he said after the Eastleigh bombings? I'm so outraged that Mr Uhuru's right hand man can do this! Is he a spy for the Islamic state? How has this man been able to infiltrate to such a high level? There's more here than meets the EYE! We demand an answer!!
Somalia does not have a functional government and hasn't had one for decades. Al-shabab still controls a huge segment of Somalia. At Dadaab camp, these refugees get food relief, some education, shelter and safety. Given that it is human nature to survive, are we so NAIVE to think that we can just close down a camp, ferry close to one million people to SOMALIA, close the gate and say "bye-bye see ya later?!" Those people will come right back into the heart of Kenya, armed with fake ID's. Since there's no camp to put them in, guess what? You will be forced to live with them. UNHCR and the entire world won't back you up anymore, after all didn't you guys insist on closing this camp??! No other country will volunteer to take these refugees and will be more than happy that they are now Kenya's headache.
This is the most likely scenario! That 700 km stone wall they're talking about building?? Haha! That was a good one. Really? Does this government take us for retards? Of course, that will be another graft in the making.
Now enter 1 million plus Somali Muslims into mainland Kenya. Kutakalika?? These guys mind you have IDs and they can vote. With our elections coming up in 2017, no candidate should dream of winning the presidency without the Muslim vote. In other words, welcome to Sharia Law! Oh yes! It's surely coming. Where you and I, ie kafirs, will live as dhimmis and pay jizya tax...eventually.
I propose we keep Dadaab camp open for logistical reasons. It's the perfect set up! Since it has been proven that al-shabab is living in our midst, round them up...all Somalis...process them. Those with Kenyan IDs must prove how they obtained them. If they can't explain, it will be assumed fake and illegal...straight to Dadaab. Those living illegally in Kenya, faster faster to the camp. This camp should be expanded and then a huge fence built around it and manned by the Kenyan military. No one can leave or enter without permission. Once inside the camp, they must follow the law of the land. Infiltrate them, learn their tactics and defeat them. Meanwhile, they're happy to live in relative security, food, their children are learning...etc. Lastly, proselytize the gospel of Christ in the final defeat of this ideological war. After many years, Islam influence at Dadaab will weaken. Then slowly by slowly, hopefully as Somalia becomes more stable they can be repatriated back to their country.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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@Makali, I have not read thro all yr long posts but am for middle ground on this. For starters, it will be uphill task to force refugees back when perception in international community is that Somalia is still unsafe. So the first activity should be for Kenya to carry out a campaign stating that Somalia is safe for their return. As this goes on, issue new digital ID cards to all Kenyans (along the lines oorsimilar to MYKAD) of Malaysia. Carry out intensive vetting when issuing the cards. Any Somali who cannot prove he is kenyan is houded quickly to dadaab. At the end of the excercise, ship everyone to Somalia. If you force the refugees right now against wishes of international community, you will end up with humanitarian crisis since there is no housing, food etc in Somalia. Plus if you close the camp now, then 6 months down the line you realize there ate 1m illegal Somalis in Kenya, where do you take the egg on your face?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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This is very shallow!This is the mentality of us against them! harrydre wrote:You are either a sympathizer or one of the kebabs. That's the route for arms and radicals. Close the godamn camp! Coolio wrote:What's your old handle Mr/ Mrs sympathizer? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Impunity wrote:What is the distance between Daadab camp and the Kenya-Somalia border?
Google maps! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Swenani wrote:This is very shallow!This is the mentality of us against them! harrydre wrote:You are either a sympathizer or one of the kebabs. That's the route for arms and radicals. Close the godamn camp! Coolio wrote:What's your old handle Mr/ Mrs sympathizer? So what is deep? The mentality of them against who?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Are there precepts that one can use to ensure proper and correct reasoning?
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/14/2011 Posts: 82
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Why do we Kenyans forget things so fast? A few years ago, Kenya Government, Somali Government and UNHCR(United Nations High Commission Refugee) signed an Agreement on closing of the Dadaab camp!! This happens during Kibaki regime.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:This is very shallow!This is the mentality of us against them! harrydre wrote:You are either a sympathizer or one of the kebabs. That's the route for arms and radicals. Close the godamn camp! Coolio wrote:What's your old handle Mr/ Mrs sympathizer? So what is deep? The mentality of them against who? The mentality of us for us and them against them If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Impunity wrote:What is the distance between Daadab camp and the Kenya-Somalia border?
The Daadab camp is about 350km from the Kenya Somali Boarder. Ruto is not being honest here, he knows very well that chances of the camp closing in 3 months are close to nil mostly because of international laws and even the logistical practicality of it all. However, the gava should use this opportunity to bleed the international community for funding support. The insecurity cost associated with hosting this camps should be worth a minimum Usd 2 million (same as the military aid the US gives Egypt). We should be robustly pushing for such funds from the EU, US, Asia and the UN. We also need to audit the Somali population to determine the Kenyan and non Kenyan somali people living in Kenya. Daadab is not the real problem, I believe the illegal and legal somali refugees are the real problems. And they happen to be all over the place in neighbourhoods like Eistleigh and South C. The gava needs to flash them. Out of interest, where do Somali people get capital from, they seem to have alot of capital outlay for any business venture they enter. I don't think they turn decent profits (on the basis of their cheap prices) but the businesses keep going and they continously inject additional funds. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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