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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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quicksand wrote:We need a disaster management/rapid response command -during terrorists attacks whoever is in charge of it can order and marshall resources from anybody in Kenya's armed forces, the airforce, army and navy -yes. Even Karangi or the future Karangi should eat any directive coming from the command's leader.
Then squads like Recce need to be deployed all over the country, realistically, a squad in each of what were the former provincial headquarters would be a start. That is 8 squads. With 2 helicopters each for starters, several vehicles and other equipment, get a budget line that should never dry up or be exposed to the moronic haranguing of parliament, and constantly audit them to assess the state of permanent readiness.
This isn't too much to swing is it, Mr President?
Does anyone in the bureaucracy ever use their brains? The recce squad are not trainned in kiganjo, you need some foreign country to approve the same. now how do you propose we define a terrorist attack inorder to place the whole security apparatus under command of this disaster chaps, do we go to court for a an order or do we leave that to another committee. Now do we forward to the squads the chopper pilots, or do we start training them to fly the things, armed units are not like private guards, they need a well drilled and defined command structure otherwise you do not want rouge units hanging somewhere, and you do not want a shifting command structure.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,040 Location: GA
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This things can never be done in a perfect manner recall the sydney sieke where the police were hailed as heroes only later to emerge that one of the hostages was killed by the police Police divided over strategy during Lindt cafe siege in Martin Place, Sydney
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,588
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mawinder wrote:KDF should not have gone to the scene in the first place. They broke the law by moving to the scene. Their work is to protect us internationally not going after 10 terrorists armed with AK 47 and knives!!!!!!! Even if it may not be illegal to deploy military internally it is outright stupid. It points to a major failure within the National Security Council (in thinking), to fight 10 bandits in "saggy pants", really not the army, recce maybe, perhaps the military is "patronizing" the council for SOME reason/cover-up/security contracts? Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Entire system was a failure. It should never take 7 hours to respond to such a situation. Its almost like we do not have thinkers or accountable people in key positions. Thats what happens when appointments are made based on tribal balancing and political reasons.
Kenya needs a system where people are promoted from within based on merit so the cream rises to the top instead of political appointees like Nkaissery.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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nakujua wrote:quicksand wrote:We need a disaster management/rapid response command -during terrorists attacks whoever is in charge of it can order and marshall resources from anybody in Kenya's armed forces, the airforce, army and navy -yes. Even Karangi or the future Karangi should eat any directive coming from the command's leader.
Then squads like Recce need to be deployed all over the country, realistically, a squad in each of what were the former provincial headquarters would be a start. That is 8 squads. With 2 helicopters each for starters, several vehicles and other equipment, get a budget line that should never dry up or be exposed to the moronic haranguing of parliament, and constantly audit them to assess the state of permanent readiness.
This isn't too much to swing is it, Mr President?
Does anyone in the bureaucracy ever use their brains? The recce squad are not trainned in kiganjo, you need some foreign country to approve the same. now how do you propose we define a terrorist attack inorder to place the whole security apparatus under command of this disaster chaps, do we go to court for a an order or do we leave that to another committee. Now do we forward to the squads the chopper pilots, or do we start training them to fly the things, armed units are not like private guards, they need a well drilled and defined command structure otherwise you do not want rouge units hanging somewhere, and you do not want a shifting command structure. I have argued in the this forum in the past that as long as advancement in the security forces is determined by tribalism and how loyal you are, or by how corruptly you can take advantage of the system, all these things you suggest will never work. The first thing is professionalism. Promoting and commending hard working officers who solve cases and get criminals behind bars. Performance measures that mean you can be fired if you do not deliver - not transferred elsewhere to continue your corruption/working with crooks. Without this we are all wasting time Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Robinhood wrote:nakujua wrote:quicksand wrote:We need a disaster management/rapid response command -during terrorists attacks whoever is in charge of it can order and marshall resources from anybody in Kenya's armed forces, the airforce, army and navy -yes. Even Karangi or the future Karangi should eat any directive coming from the command's leader.
Then squads like Recce need to be deployed all over the country, realistically, a squad in each of what were the former provincial headquarters would be a start. That is 8 squads. With 2 helicopters each for starters, several vehicles and other equipment, get a budget line that should never dry up or be exposed to the moronic haranguing of parliament, and constantly audit them to assess the state of permanent readiness.
This isn't too much to swing is it, Mr President?
Does anyone in the bureaucracy ever use their brains? The recce squad are not trainned in kiganjo, you need some foreign country to approve the same. now how do you propose we define a terrorist attack inorder to place the whole security apparatus under command of this disaster chaps, do we go to court for a an order or do we leave that to another committee. Now do we forward to the squads the chopper pilots, or do we start training them to fly the things, armed units are not like private guards, they need a well drilled and defined command structure otherwise you do not want rouge units hanging somewhere, and you do not want a shifting command structure. I have argued in the this forum in the past that as long as advancement in the security forces is determined by tribalism and how loyal you are, or by how corruptly you can take advantage of the system, all these things you suggest will never work. The first thing is professionalism. Promoting and commending hard working officers who solve cases and get criminals behind bars. Performance measures that mean you can be fired if you do not deliver - not transferred elsewhere to continue your corruption/working with crooks. Without this we are all wasting time point on, its the people not the systems or structures, thats the elementary issue the constitutional experts failed to note in all their brilliance. change names, introduce new structures... lakini as long as the people in charge ni wale wale, it might be as well as chasing the wind.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/8/2013 Posts: 386 Location: Nyali mombasa
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mawinder wrote:KDF should not have gone to the scene in the first place. They broke the law by moving to the scene. Their work is to protect us internationally not going after 10 terrorists armed with AK 47 and knives!!!!!!! so you mean they would be breaking the law by protecting lives? what did they think the gun shot were for inside, I listened to a mother cry of how her daughter called her all day from morning to the last call at around 3pm, now tell that mum about the law
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 399 Location: Where everyone knows you
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mawinder wrote:KDF should not have gone to the scene in the first place. They broke the law by moving to the scene. Their work is to protect us internationally not going after 10 terrorists armed with AK 47 and knives!!!!!!! Crap.
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