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Garissa university attack.
Muriel
#541 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 9:29:09 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
@AlphDoti - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=31086&p=3

This is a verse you like to quote to bolster the peaceful image of Islam.

5:32 wrote:

For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.

So as we discuss KDF in Somalia and corruption in Kenya explain how a Muslim is supposed to follow the peaceful part you like to highlight and not the violent part.

I have just seen something.

In the mindset of the writer, when he was writing this verse what did he have in mind when using the words 'corruption in the earth'?

I tend to think he was not thinking of giving a police man a bribe of ksh. 1,000 bank note to allow transit from Garissa to Nairobi.

By any chance does being zalimun & kafirun constitute 'corruption in the earth'? If so, then who ever can be put in that category is finished. That verse will not protect them for it talks about Allah's sovereignty!

So much for 'peace'.

DISCLAIMER: MY REPOSNSE BELOW IS NOT JUSTIFYING THE GARISSA INCIDENT. IT IS A REPLY TO QUESTIONS RAISED BY @SYMBOLS AND @MURIEL ABOVE. PLIZ DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME!!!!!!

5:32: "whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth"

The story of Cain is referred to in a few graphic details in order to tell the story of Israel. Israel rebelled against Allah, slew and insulted righteous men who did them no harm but on the contrary came in all humility. When Allah withdrew His favour from Israel because of its sins and bestowed it on a brother nation, the jealousy of Israel plunged it deeper into sin. To kill or seek to kill an individual because he represents an ideal is to kill all who uphold the ideal. On the other hand, to save an individual life in the same circumstances is to save a whole community. What could be stronger condemnation of individual assassination and revenge?

You can check out 5:45: We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal."
But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrongdoers.


The retaliation is prescribed in three places in the Bible: Exodus 21:23-25; Leviticus 24:18-21, and Deuteronomy 19:21.

The wording in the three quotations is different, but in none of them is found the additional rider for mercy, as here. Note that in Matt. 5:38, Jesus quotes the Old Law "eye for eye." etc and modifies it in the direction of forgiveness, But the Quranic injunction is more practical. This appeal for mercy is as between man and man in the spiritual world. Even where the injured one forgives, the State or Ruler is competent to take such action as is necessary for the preservation of law and order in Society. For crime has a bearing that goes beyond the interests of the person injured: the Community is affected just like is mentioned above in 5:32



What you have said is fine and dandy but skirts around the issue.

In your opinion what is an example of 'corruptions in the earth'?

I have an example and it is found in the Qur'an 9:7-10. (For length of post considerations I will not quote it here but highlight the terminology as used in the context.)

Polytheists are the 'corruptions in the earth'.

1. There is to be no treaty with polytheists.
2. There can be no treaty with polytheists when they are 'dominant' over Muslims.
3. They (polytheists) are doing evil. (They are the corruptions) They are the transgressors.
4. If the polytheists do not do what Muslims want (repent, pray and give zaka) they are to be fought till they 'cease'.

Whoever kills a Muslim is the one to whom it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one (muslim), it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.
kaka2za
#542 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 9:32:02 AM
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Mutuma Imathiu and Citizen news had a valid point. There is need for public education on how to react to terrorist attacks.
We are usually advised to cooperate with robbers but obeying the terrorist is a ticket to hell. So fight them because you will be dead anyway.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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Muriel
#543 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 9:46:38 AM
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alma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alma, you see, Islam is a bloody religion that is ironically oft marketed as a 'religion of peace'. That much is indisputable and we have had long debates about it here that have not been refuted so far. Islam asks for tolerance where it is the minority but where its the majority, blood flows freely and a casual look at the areas of its birth confirms this.

Indeed the enemy is within.

The son of the one tasked with collecting local intel on the enemy is the enemy! He could not find intel on his own son how then could he he find intel on his son's friends and their activities?

Al shabab being finished is like Islam being finished. Oh! How we need Hamburglar's manpower!


That's a very silly argument. Christianity is the religion of peace too. Don't let me remind you of the Christian MPIg who was busy raping someone recently. Or the Christian Kenyans who were busy burning children in a Christian Church. Or the Christian Pastor who was busy raping young boys.

Humbaglar will not support you, he/she will support me.

The Christian will want to prove that he's peaceful, yet more humans have died in the name of Christ than anyone else.

Remove your religious goggles for once.

You are talking and behaving like the Christian right wing nuts who created the Iraq war. Thanks to them, they killed a lot of fellows then created ISIL. An organisation that is so powerful that countries even the Islamic countries are at a loss on how to control it.

Endeleeni vivyo hivyo with your funny religious arguments and don't be shocked to find ISIL living in Mandera in 6 months.

Wacheni mzaha tafadhali.

It's time for strategic planning which means including those muslims you so love beating with a stick.

Bring Christ out of your heart for a second and realise you must love the Muslim just as you love your God.

Otherwise 200 was a small number.

I know I'm singing to goats with a guitar, but get rid of the word Al Shabaab. These young kids were killed by their classmates who happened to have been educated not in a madrassa but in the University of Nairobi.

Let's go bomb UON now shall we?


Alma,

It seems he is not on my side. He has opted to be diplomatic about this. He has failed to condemn in the strongest possible terms and language this heinous atrocity done by Mr. Mohamed Kuno and Mr. Mohammed Abdirahim Abdullahi.

He probably fears their names, as I thought he does. He does not want to mess around with Mohammed. He will not touch him with a 20 foot pole.

I am resigned that he will be on your side. I accept you were right.

May I inform you that I do not look forward to the day a Mr. Peter or a Mr. John will do something despicable. The fire we will read ,,,,,
hamburglar
#544 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 10:21:51 AM
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Muriel wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
How unfortunate. So many young lives cut short so senselessly. Very very sad. My heart is still heavy especially when i see their loved ones agonizing.


Yes.

There is nothing else you want to mention?


No. Not on this thread.
Muriel
#545 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 10:29:14 AM
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hamburglar wrote:
Muriel wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
How unfortunate. So many young lives cut short so senselessly. Very very sad. My heart is still heavy especially when i see their loved ones agonizing.


Yes.

There is nothing else you want to mention?


No. Not on this thread.


Oh!

I respect that.
Lolest!
#546 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 11:15:48 AM
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That's a very silly argument. Christianity is the religion of peace too. Don't let me remind you of the Christian MPIg who was busy raping someone recently. Or the Christian Kenyans who were busy burning children in a Christian Church. Or the Christian Pastor who was busy raping young boys.

were they doing all these crimes in the name of, or for the furtherance of their religion?
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Lolest!
#547 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 11:17:19 AM
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Bring Christ out of your heart for a second and realise you must love the Muslim just as you love your God.

Otherwise 200 was a small number.

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bubethi
#548 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 12:19:37 PM
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Looks like the sanctions has touched some raw nerve in Somalia

RINK

Muriel
#549 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 12:31:29 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
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Bring Christ out of your heart for a second and realise you must love the Muslim just as you love your God.

Otherwise 200 was a small number.

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Are not you guys breaking some commandment? The Muslim is not God, you know, to be loved as God.
nakujua
#550 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2015 12:34:23 PM
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Hizi grills on windows especially in institutions need to be seriously looked at with a view of being removed.
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