AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:@AlphDoti -
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=31086&p=3
This is a verse you like to quote to bolster the peaceful image of Islam.
5:32 wrote:
For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
So as we discuss KDF in Somalia and corruption in Kenya explain how a Muslim is supposed to follow the peaceful part you like to highlight and not the violent part.
I have just seen something.
In the mindset of the writer, when he was writing this verse what did he have in mind when using the words 'corruption in the earth'?
I tend to think he was not thinking of giving a police man a bribe of ksh. 1,000 bank note to allow transit from Garissa to Nairobi.
By any chance does being zalimun & kafirun constitute 'corruption in the earth'? If so, then who ever can be put in that category is finished. That verse will not protect them for it talks about Allah's sovereignty!
So much for 'peace'.
DISCLAIMER: MY REPOSNSE BELOW IS NOT JUSTIFYING THE GARISSA INCIDENT. IT IS A REPLY TO QUESTIONS RAISED BY @SYMBOLS AND @MURIEL ABOVE. PLIZ DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME!!!!!!5:32: "
whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth"
The story of Cain is referred to in a few graphic details in order to tell the story of Israel. Israel rebelled against Allah, slew and insulted righteous men who did them no harm but on the contrary came in all humility. When Allah withdrew His favour from Israel because of its sins and bestowed it on a brother nation, the jealousy of Israel plunged it deeper into sin. To kill or seek to kill an individual because he represents an ideal is to kill all who uphold the ideal. On the other hand, to save an individual life in the same circumstances is to save a whole community. What could be stronger condemnation of individual assassination and revenge?
You can check out 5:45:
We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal."
But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrongdoers.The retaliation is prescribed in three places in the Bible:
Exodus 21:23-25;
Leviticus 24:18-21, and
Deuteronomy 19:21.
The wording in the three quotations is different, but in none of them is found the additional rider for mercy, as here. Note that in Matt. 5:38, Jesus quotes the Old Law "eye for eye." etc and modifies it in the direction of forgiveness, But the Quranic injunction is more practical. This appeal for mercy is as between man and man in the spiritual world. Even where the injured one forgives, the State or Ruler is competent to take such action as is necessary for the preservation of law and order in Society. For crime has a bearing that goes beyond the interests of the person injured: the Community is affected just like is mentioned above in 5:32
What you have said is fine and dandy but skirts around the issue.
In your opinion what is an example of 'corruptions in the earth'?
I have an example and it is found in the Qur'an 9:7-10. (For length of post considerations I will not quote it here but highlight the terminology as used in the context.)
Polytheists are the 'corruptions in the earth'.
1. There is to be no treaty with polytheists.
2. There can be no treaty with polytheists when they are 'dominant' over Muslims.
3. They (polytheists) are doing evil. (They are the corruptions) They are the transgressors.
4. If the polytheists do not do what Muslims want (repent, pray and give zaka) they are to be fought till they 'cease'.
Whoever kills a Muslim is the one to whom it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one (muslim), it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.