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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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murchr wrote:FRM2011 wrote:nakujua wrote:Swenani wrote:nakujua wrote:timbosho wrote:nakujua wrote:murchr wrote:nakujua wrote:Torio wrote:nakujua wrote:[quote=Torio][quote=nakujua][quote=Torio]
Hapo sawa, so its basically poor leadership that pulled Kenya back as compared to Singapore
Hapana si sawa. Leadership is just one small bit of it.  so human capital (as defined on Wikipedia) is number one, the port number two, some other stuff then, Lee yee/ arap moi just a tinny little bit. hapo ni sawa. In simple terms he's saying that the "African" IQ is lower that that of the Asian thus the difference. Hapo sawa, I guess then we africans especially kenyans were not born with the creative capacity nor the ability to perform meaningful labor to produce economic value.  The Bell curve is a fact of life. The blacks on average score 85 per cent on IQ and it is accurate, nothing to do with culture. The whites score on average 100. Asians score more … the Bell curve authors put it at least 10 points higher. These are realities that, if you do not accept, will lead to frustration because you will be spending money on wrong assumptions and the results cannot follow. Lee Kuan Yew, The Man & His Ideas, 1997 Hapo sawa timbosho, ndivyo nilikubaliana na torio , sisi wamiliki wa ngozi nyeusi huzaliwa na kiwango kikubwa sana cha ujinga, na ukosefu wa akili. Can we therefore conclude that the more black you are the lower you IQ is? nyakati fulani zilizopita kulikuwa na mzalendo, ambaye hakufurahishwa hata kidogo na matamshi ambayo yalilenga kuzua utatanishi katika mshikamano wetu kama wakenya. nitaepuka swali lako la balagha, ili nisijipate mashakani. Bwana nakujua, kiswahili kiako, ni kisuri sana.   ni kugeria tu pwana - lived in bongo land kidogo and its torture when you listen to the lingual mastery in that place, felt embarrassed with my half baked english na kiswahili.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Torio,
Welcome aboard, I like the way you are thinking and arguing.
Your argument makes a lot of sense. I have always argued that human capital surpasses all other resources in the world. That it why the average Kenyan as you correctly put it in 1964 had no chance of competing with the Singaporean (who is basically a chinese immigrant) in commerce and investment growth.
The chinese have been engaged in organised nation building and trade since recorded history while the african/kenyan remains organised upto the clan level and probably went to school simply because the local missionary was insistent on getting anyone to learn to read and as they were the youngest (or weakest) child in a family and were not fit to herd cattle their father had no problem getting rid of them by sending them to school.
Given the same tools, the performance of the Kenyan leader would be dragged down by the collective mediocrity of the led while the Singaporean leader's performance will be raised by the high knowledge and expectations of the led. Are you saying that the Chinese had "formal" education before the white man? Excuses! The African was as educated as the avg Singaporean in the 60s uzembe plus lack of a defined focus is what made us lag behind everything in the world has context... understanding context is key to everything...  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Torio,
Welcome aboard, I like the way you are thinking and arguing.
Your argument makes a lot of sense. I have always argued that human capital surpasses all other resources in the world. That it why the average Kenyan as you correctly put it in 1964 had no chance of competing with the Singaporean (who is basically a chinese immigrant) in commerce and investment growth.
The chinese have been engaged in organised nation building and trade since recorded history while the african/kenyan remains organised upto the clan level and probably went to school simply because the local missionary was insistent on getting anyone to learn to read and as they were the youngest (or weakest) child in a family and were not fit to herd cattle their father had no problem getting rid of them by sending them to school.
Given the same tools, the performance of the Kenyan leader would be dragged down by the collective mediocrity of the led while the Singaporean leader's performance will be raised by the high knowledge and expectations of the led. Are you saying that the Chinese had "formal" education before the white man? Excuses! The African was as educated as the avg Singaporean in the 60s uzembe plus lack of a defined focus is what made us lag behind everything in the world has context... understanding context is key to everything... You are not understanding the context of this argument Makales. Go back to page 1 "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Torio,
Welcome aboard, I like the way you are thinking and arguing.
Your argument makes a lot of sense. I have always argued that human capital surpasses all other resources in the world. That it why the average Kenyan as you correctly put it in 1964 had no chance of competing with the Singaporean (who is basically a chinese immigrant) in commerce and investment growth.
The chinese have been engaged in organised nation building and trade since recorded history while the african/kenyan remains organised upto the clan level and probably went to school simply because the local missionary was insistent on getting anyone to learn to read and as they were the youngest (or weakest) child in a family and were not fit to herd cattle their father had no problem getting rid of them by sending them to school.
Given the same tools, the performance of the Kenyan leader would be dragged down by the collective mediocrity of the led while the Singaporean leader's performance will be raised by the high knowledge and expectations of the led. Are you saying that the Chinese had "formal" education before the white man? Excuses! The African was as educated as the avg Singaporean in the 60s uzembe plus lack of a defined focus is what made us lag behind everything in the world has context... understanding context is key to everything... may be the wealth the african woman is after is a roof and food on the table for her family, ama what do you mean in your context of wealth.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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I tend to think that countries like Singapore know which cog to fit onto which wheel, it doesn't matter how many people a country has whose IQ is north of 100, its about putting the write talent/intellect at the right place. If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Torio,
Welcome aboard, I like the way you are thinking and arguing.
Your argument makes a lot of sense. I have always argued that human capital surpasses all other resources in the world. That it why the average Kenyan as you correctly put it in 1964 had no chance of competing with the Singaporean (who is basically a chinese immigrant) in commerce and investment growth.
The chinese have been engaged in organised nation building and trade since recorded history while the african/kenyan remains organised upto the clan level and probably went to school simply because the local missionary was insistent on getting anyone to learn to read and as they were the youngest (or weakest) child in a family and were not fit to herd cattle their father had no problem getting rid of them by sending them to school.
Given the same tools, the performance of the Kenyan leader would be dragged down by the collective mediocrity of the led while the Singaporean leader's performance will be raised by the high knowledge and expectations of the led. Are you saying that the Chinese had "formal" education before the white man? Excuses! The African was as educated as the avg Singaporean in the 60s uzembe plus lack of a defined focus is what made us lag behind everything in the world has context... understanding context is key to everything... may be the wealth the african woman is after is a roof and food on the table for her family, ama what do you mean in your context of wealth. context of where 'hardwork' gives results.. I agree with @muchr... focus has never been in our culture. We love lots of business... you are employed, you have some chicken and quails, some cows at home, some plots in ruai, some flats in kinoo, some green house to plant green beans or tomatoes or [PLACE WHATEVER GROWS IN A GREEN HOUSE HERE], you own a matatu and taxis, you have a photo studio, you also are doing some wheat farming in Narok... you have some tea you grow in Limuru/Kaimosi/Kericho. it's a bit difficult to for you to be excellent... hard for you to provide world class excellence in one of these. YOU ARE A REAL HARD WORKER BUT NOTHING FROM THESE WILL EVER BE WORLD CLASS. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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We got many exemplary talented Africans(blacks) as individuals. Challeging aspect is when we form a community. We lose focus , lack clear goals , hate each other and laziness. Those among us smarter enough take that opportunity to enrich themselves. work to prosper
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/23/2013 Posts: 34
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nakujua wrote:masukuma wrote:nakujua wrote:Hapo sawa timbosho, ndivyo nilikubaliana na torio , sisi wamiliki wa ngozi nyeusi huzaliwa na kiwango kikubwa sana cha ujinga, na ukosefu wa akili. you people never fail to surprise me. So... is IQ a factor of skin color? presence of melanin or lack there of? is melanin abundance a causal factor or a correlational factor? Lazy brains tend to draw up conclusions like this! is IQ a factor of birth, diet, environment? Does the weight a mother pick up during her pregnancy affect the IQ of the child she is bearing? Does talking to your child while in the womb and after they are born (way before they can give your any kind of feedback) affect the IQ of the child? What about having elder siblings? Are there other factors? are they causal or correlational? What are the causal not correlational factors that actually make IQ tests differ among groups of people?Don't be a lazy thinker!! In my well considered opinion it's all down to 2 things... CULTURE and DIET amongst other factors! even such things as height are to a large extent having a dietary correlation. Has anyone looked up the Flynn effect? by the way... how come the Japanese or the chineses (that are supposed to have higher IQs) don't go around reminding everyone that they are in the front of the bell curve and yet it's the people in the middle that do? Don't consume hate science and look at your kids any differently! your kids are not damned to be low IQed just because their folks had black skins... priss! synthesising the causality of IQ or any other trait of the human race to just 1 or 2 variables is incredibly lazy... FAGA!! DON'T BE A LAZY THINKER! sasa @ma-sukuma, si @ti-mbosho amesema bell curve ni ukweli wa maisha - how is one supposed to discuss with one who believes that the color of your skin is a determinant of ones intelligence, si unakubaliana tu na yeye - sasa utamwambia nini, na tayari anajua yeye na wewe na mimi tulizaliwa na ujinga. Sio timbosho alisema. Ni Uncle Lee alisema, the great Lee Kuan Yew. Personally I'm not quite sure why it is Asians and whites dominating the world economy and politics, not black people. But come to think of it, outside of Egypt, Mali and Ethiopia, what have we contributed to the world in terms of scientific, economic or cultural achievements? The Chinese can point to tea, philosophy, gunpowder, paper money etc. What can we point to? I do not know if its lazy thinking or not, but when you open the book of African achievements in the past and now, it is mostly blank outside Egypt, Ethiopia and Mali. Either what was achieved was lost in time/forgotten, or just was not there to begin with.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Phallic comparisons and tales of inadequacy are generally symptoms of alienation. On this thread, the African isn't being aware of himself; instead he's projecting an image he's acquired from a white supremacist worldview and critiquing it. That is, he's blocking his authenticity even further.
'Wimbi la maneno na kelele. Kupanda kelele na kuvuna kelele.'
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/23/2013 Posts: 34
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tycho wrote:Phallic comparisons and tales of inadequacy are generally symptoms of alienation. On this thread, the African isn't being aware of himself; instead he's projecting an image he's acquired from a white supremacist worldview and critiquing it. That is, he's blocking his authenticity even further.
'Wimbi la maneno na kelele. Kupanda kelele na kuvuna kelele.' Hmm...How else can we compare/value ourselves? By changing what we value?
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