True. And those objectives drove them even to colonize many countries, to grant us independence, to keep their military bases here even now. . . we're living their interests even now.

So blocking them out of our thought is naive. We must use the evidence we get from history accordingly.

Yes,

This has got nothing to do with christianity in whatever shape form or size.

This is purely Islam.

Some Muslims killed some people in obedience to Allah. Whover they kill is the lunatic on whom Allah's wrath will fall.

I think we have two problems in dealing with this monster.

1. Corruption: These terrorists pass through our borders, eat and dine in our hotels, hire our cars, get armed security from us, just for a few dollars. MAKOSA Number 1.

2. Thinking too "big": This war will not be worn by flattening the cells in Somalia alone. We need to come down and start thinking small. The point when the mama mboga, the boda boda guy, the taxi guy, the gate security man-so called watchman, the 'chokora' guy who is always in a certain street 24/7-When we go down to that 'small' man and make them our friend in this war, we are in it for a long haul. This big man syndrome of thinking this will be won through tankers and by a few guys who sits in a well ventilated boardroom with a red carpet somewhere in a well guarded tall city building is a lie. We have to fold our sleeves and make our hands dirty. Not even a wall/trench will save us from this menace...and soon no-one will be safe, not even those funding them, because soon they will ask for more. Once they run out of food, they will eat their own.

Ohhhh Please!

Take that to your church.

We are grown ups here. We know reality.

You are busy "undermining" muslims YET, your so called "christians" do the same shit every day.

My posts are rather clear.

We are fighting the wrong war. I don't think I can be more clear than that. And those that fight the wrong war, are annihilated.

It's not a christian vs muslim war.

We are fighting cessation here.

Tycho has given you referrence. The Al Jazeera video has given you something to think about.

You are still stuck up on stupid things like religion.

Ever since you knew it was a religious war, how many christians have you saved?

Just a question.

I'm saying this without fear and I really don't need anyone's favor.

We need to rethink what this country stands for and can stand for.

Every 10yrs there's a "new idea" taking over our kids.

First it was let's overthrow the gov't, then mwakenya, then mungiki, now al shabaab. the common denominator is young people who feel disenfranchised by their gov't.

You can go to your churches and continue thinking that Mohammed is coming to kill you kesho. That's your problem not mine. And I'd advise you to increase the reach of your friends. Like really search further than your church and clan.

When Americans were killed by these nutcases, they did not go around hating ALL muslims and immigrants. I don't know about you, but I thrived in the same place where some "outsiders" attacked.

Why?

Because there was a common purpose. All were created equal etc etc

Anyone who follows this monster called religion to foster an idea is one of the losers that actually killed these kids.

Tell your pastor I said that.

Corruption is killing this country. Have no doubt about it.

Deal with it. Now.

Otherwise we shall continue of this silly path of sijui Al Shabaab, Mungiki, and even the Indians are creating their own as we speak. It's called never hire a Kenyan as your boss.

Corruption and a basic lack of a common purpose for the guy in Mogotio and the herdsman in Wajir.

@D32, if you don't get @alma's argument, then I don't know what you'll understand. Bottom line: corruption.

All this hullabaloo about religion is too old argument. We need to come back to reality and think as one.