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Garissa university attack.
alma
#411 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:31:22 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/20/2007
Posts: 4,432
Rahatupu wrote:
alma wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma wrote:
I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages.

Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom.

The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem.

Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff.

University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play.

I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab.

Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children.

Why?


Don't put a premium on being 'Kenyan'. It would be better to ask why a human would kill another. It can't be because of religious belief. It can only be because there's an 'us' versus 'them' mentality and 'us' is threatened in some way by 'them'. It's about the politics of experience.


You have to put a premium on the word because it seems we are not listening to the wind.

We are busy fighting Al-Shabaab, they are busy fighting a was of cessation. It's working. Everyone is leaving and leaving the vulnerable Kenyan Muslims to fend for themselves.

Quote:
'Garissa and Mombasa are part of our land'

Channel 4 News Africa Reporter Jamal Muhumed Osman today spoke to al-Shabaab and challenged them to explain why they carried out a massacre in a Kenyan university.

The militant group claimed the city is "their land" and told Kenyans to leave.


The worst thing you can do is fight the wrong war. You will lose.

Boka Haram is fighting a cessation war. ISIL is very clear on what they are fighting. And they have tried to get in touch with Al-Shabaab.

The current propaganda from the time in Lamu from Al-Shabaab speaks of cessation.

We are fighting a Muslim vs. Christian War.

The one fighting the wrong war, SHALL lose.

Every time this shit happens, we start screaming that we have to leave those areas to a man.

@alma, I like your reasoning. this thing is bigger than AS. A state of war should be declared before we go the Boko Haram way, Militarize the entire North Eastern a area. Covertly take out all suspected operatives, their sympathisers. .... whole chain.



Rahatupu I'm not paid to think for this gov't but I know some people are paid to do so.

It's so easy so easy to take the easy way out. That's ok for the citizens its totally wrong for the gov't and the bureaucrats. They are paid to think.

There's something in the sort of a newsletter that's going on around NE and its not about Muslims vs Christians, its about cessation.

That's the reality.

And the gov't doesn't help with stories about evil muslims who want to finish us.

ISIL did not start by mistake. Neither did a kid with a law degree killing other people.

Watch the Al Jazeera video that's reality. Anything else you are saying now, is the wrong war.

Leave NE because you aren't safe as a Christian, then leave it to Al Shabaab and co. You would have won the war for them without even trying.

At this rate don't expect an attack in Nairobi soon. It will always be in NE.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Muriel
#412 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:05:54 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
alma wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
alma wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma wrote:
I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages.

Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom.

The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem.

Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff.

University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play.

I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab.

Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children.

Why?


Don't put a premium on being 'Kenyan'. It would be better to ask why a human would kill another. It can't be because of religious belief. It can only be because there's an 'us' versus 'them' mentality and 'us' is threatened in some way by 'them'. It's about the politics of experience.


You have to put a premium on the word because it seems we are not listening to the wind.

We are busy fighting Al-Shabaab, they are busy fighting a was of cessation. It's working. Everyone is leaving and leaving the vulnerable Kenyan Muslims to fend for themselves.

Quote:
'Garissa and Mombasa are part of our land'

Channel 4 News Africa Reporter Jamal Muhumed Osman today spoke to al-Shabaab and challenged them to explain why they carried out a massacre in a Kenyan university.

The militant group claimed the city is "their land" and told Kenyans to leave.


The worst thing you can do is fight the wrong war. You will lose.

Boka Haram is fighting a cessation war. ISIL is very clear on what they are fighting. And they have tried to get in touch with Al-Shabaab.

The current propaganda from the time in Lamu from Al-Shabaab speaks of cessation.

We are fighting a Muslim vs. Christian War.

The one fighting the wrong war, SHALL lose.

Every time this shit happens, we start screaming that we have to leave those areas to a man.

@alma, I like your reasoning. this thing is bigger than AS. A state of war should be declared before we go the Boko Haram way, Militarize the entire North Eastern a area. Covertly take out all suspected operatives, their sympathisers. .... whole chain.



Rahatupu I'm not paid to think for this gov't but I know some people are paid to do so.

It's so easy so easy to take the easy way out. That's ok for the citizens its totally wrong for the gov't and the bureaucrats. They are paid to think.

There's something in the sort of a newsletter that's going on around NE and its not about Muslims vs Christians, its about cessation.

That's the reality.

And the gov't doesn't help with stories about evil muslims who want to finish us.

ISIL did not start by mistake. Neither did a kid with a law degree killing other people.

Watch the Al Jazeera video that's reality. Anything else you are saying now, is the wrong war.

Leave NE because you aren't safe as a Christian, then leave it to Al Shabaab and co. You would have won the war for them without even trying.

At this rate don't expect an attack in Nairobi soon. It will always be in NE.


Alma, personal comfort & safety overrides victory over deranged killers.

In certain terminology - response to stimuli.

'Patriotism' cannot overcome even that.
limanika
#413 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:11:57 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 9/21/2011
Posts: 2,032
@ Alma, evolving phase of this menace is that radicalised youth in NE will take advantage and continue being a risk in NE, whereas main stream alshabaab foreign fighters continue to be a risk for Nairobi. In another phase, we would see the local branch getting indipendent and self reliant. Is anyone still in doubt as to whether the greatest fight against shabab should be staged in Kenya or Somalia?
alma
#414 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:13:59 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/20/2007
Posts: 4,432
Muriel wrote:
alma wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
alma wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma wrote:
I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages.

Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom.

The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem.

Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff.

University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play.

I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab.

Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children.

Why?


Don't put a premium on being 'Kenyan'. It would be better to ask why a human would kill another. It can't be because of religious belief. It can only be because there's an 'us' versus 'them' mentality and 'us' is threatened in some way by 'them'. It's about the politics of experience.


You have to put a premium on the word because it seems we are not listening to the wind.

We are busy fighting Al-Shabaab, they are busy fighting a was of cessation. It's working. Everyone is leaving and leaving the vulnerable Kenyan Muslims to fend for themselves.

Quote:
'Garissa and Mombasa are part of our land'

Channel 4 News Africa Reporter Jamal Muhumed Osman today spoke to al-Shabaab and challenged them to explain why they carried out a massacre in a Kenyan university.

The militant group claimed the city is "their land" and told Kenyans to leave.


The worst thing you can do is fight the wrong war. You will lose.

Boka Haram is fighting a cessation war. ISIL is very clear on what they are fighting. And they have tried to get in touch with Al-Shabaab.

The current propaganda from the time in Lamu from Al-Shabaab speaks of cessation.

We are fighting a Muslim vs. Christian War.

The one fighting the wrong war, SHALL lose.

Every time this shit happens, we start screaming that we have to leave those areas to a man.

@alma, I like your reasoning. this thing is bigger than AS. A state of war should be declared before we go the Boko Haram way, Militarize the entire North Eastern a area. Covertly take out all suspected operatives, their sympathisers. .... whole chain.



Rahatupu I'm not paid to think for this gov't but I know some people are paid to do so.

It's so easy so easy to take the easy way out. That's ok for the citizens its totally wrong for the gov't and the bureaucrats. They are paid to think.

There's something in the sort of a newsletter that's going on around NE and its not about Muslims vs Christians, its about cessation.

That's the reality.

And the gov't doesn't help with stories about evil muslims who want to finish us.

ISIL did not start by mistake. Neither did a kid with a law degree killing other people.

Watch the Al Jazeera video that's reality. Anything else you are saying now, is the wrong war.

Leave NE because you aren't safe as a Christian, then leave it to Al Shabaab and co. You would have won the war for them without even trying.

At this rate don't expect an attack in Nairobi soon. It will always be in NE.


Alma, personal comfort & safety overrides victory over deranged killers.

In certain terminology - response to stimuli.

'Patriotism' cannot overcome even that.


My argument is that we are responding to the wrong stimuli

Westgate - Al Shabaab
Lamu - local networks
Pangani - Muslim clerics
Garissa - Al Shabaab

Yet you can all read what is happening with ISIL

The enemy is within and the response is still to blame the wrong enemy thus creating enemies with our friends. I wonder how many learned friends have been looking at their comrades with funny eyes today?

Yet, we don't want to listen.

I still ask again

Why are young Kenyans killing young Kenyans then blaming it on Al Shabaab who this gov't has told us was finished in Kismayu?

@llimanika what made this evolution happen?

It's easy to see the enemy as Al Shabaab who want to finish us. In fact we are behaving just like the Americans when they invaded Iraq to find weapons of mass destruction and other crap that never existed in the first place.

My argument is that the Kenyan Muslim terrorist is using Al Shabaab for a cover and Al Shabaab is all too willing to be used.

The problem is within since no one here has explained how your child can go and kill other children because of Islam. It's an easy argument but a stupid one especially when you know that Al Shabaab has killed more Muslims than they will ever kill Christians.

It's time to think outside the box for once in this country's history. There was a reason why every godammed MP stood up when Uhuru apologised for historical injustices.

The videos on this thread prove, that this fight is not as easy as we may think.

Corruption has killed this country. Political appointees have ensured that we don't even get timely responses when these things happen.

These 200+ kids (its 200 not 147) have died because we were all very comfortable. Too comfortable not to think about the consequences of our choices.

These choices will kill more Kenyans. Unless one of you here believes there shall be no more terrorist attacks in Kenya.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
ZZE123
#415 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:27:19 AM
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Joined: 6/21/2008
Posts: 2,490
Who has the photos of the attackers after they were killed??
The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
Muriel
#416 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:32:52 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
Alma, you see, Islam is a bloody religion that is ironically oft marketed as a 'religion of peace'. That much is indisputable and we have had long debates about it here that have not been refuted so far. Islam asks for tolerance where it is the minority but where its the majority, blood flows freely and a casual look at the areas of its birth confirms this.

Indeed the enemy is within.

The son of the one tasked with collecting local intel on the enemy is the enemy! He could not find intel on his own son how then could he he find intel on his son's friends and their activities?

Al shabab being finished is like Islam being finished. Oh! How we need Hamburglar's manpower!
alma
#417 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:39:57 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/20/2007
Posts: 4,432
Muriel wrote:
Alma, you see, Islam is a bloody religion that is ironically oft marketed as a 'religion of peace'. That much is indisputable and we have had long debates about it here that have not been refuted so far. Islam asks for tolerance where it is the minority but where its the majority, blood flows freely and a casual look at the areas of its birth confirms this.

Indeed the enemy is within.

The son of the one tasked with collecting local intel on the enemy is the enemy! He could not find intel on his own son how then could he he find intel on his son's friends and their activities?

Al shabab being finished is like Islam being finished. Oh! How we need Hamburglar's manpower!


That's a very silly argument. Christianity is the religion of peace too. Don't let me remind you of the Christian MPIg who was busy raping someone recently. Or the Christian Kenyans who were busy burning children in a Christian Church. Or the Christian Pastor who was busy raping young boys.

Humbaglar will not support you, he/she will support me.

The Christian will want to prove that he's peaceful, yet more humans have died in the name of Christ than anyone else.

Remove your religious goggles for once.

You are talking and behaving like the Christian right wing nuts who created the Iraq war. Thanks to them, they killed a lot of fellows then created ISIL. An organisation that is so powerful that countries even the Islamic countries are at a loss on how to control it.

Endeleeni vivyo hivyo with your funny religious arguments and don't be shocked to find ISIL living in Mandera in 6 months.

Wacheni mzaha tafadhali.

It's time for strategic planning which means including those muslims you so love beating with a stick.

Bring Christ out of your heart for a second and realise you must love the Muslim just as you love your God.

Otherwise 200 was a small number.

I know I'm singing to goats with a guitar, but get rid of the word Al Shabaab. These young kids were killed by their classmates who happened to have been educated not in a madrassa but in the University of Nairobi.

Let's go bomb UON now shall we?
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Muriel
#418 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 10:53:24 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
alma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alma, you see, Islam is a bloody religion that is ironically oft marketed as a 'religion of peace'. That much is indisputable and we have had long debates about it here that have not been refuted so far. Islam asks for tolerance where it is the minority but where its the majority, blood flows freely and a casual look at the areas of its birth confirms this.

Indeed the enemy is within.

The son of the one tasked with collecting local intel on the enemy is the enemy! He could not find intel on his own son how then could he he find intel on his son's friends and their activities?

Al shabab being finished is like Islam being finished. Oh! How we need Hamburglar's manpower!


That's a very silly argument. Christianity is the religion of peace too. Don't let me remind you of the Christian MPIg who was busy raping someone recently.

Humbaglar will not support you, he/she will support me.

The Christian will want to prove that he's peaceful, yet more humans have died in the name of Christ than anyone else.

Remove your religious goggles for once.

You are talking and behaving like the Christian right wing nuts who created the Iraq war. Thanks to them, they killed a lot of fellows then created ISIL. An organisation that is so powerful that countries even the Islamic countries are at a loss on how to control it.

Endeleeni vivyo hivyo with your funny religious arguments and don't be shocked to find ISIL living in Mandera in 6 months.

Wacheni mzaha tafadhali.

It's time for strategic planning which means including those muslims you so love beating with a stick.

Bring Christ out of your heart for a second and realise you must love the Muslim just as you love your God.

Otherwise 200 was a small number.



Alma, the singular and all-important difference is that one claims that what he does is in total obedience to his God. Infact, he insists he will go to heaven to extremely rich rewards because he does it. He will even point out to an 'It is written.' No other religion in this planet has made such an assertion. To this day and age.

Like clockwork, after the event, a section will tell you 'they do not represent Islam'. While the other section insists to you 'this is the will of God'.

Why do you take the word of one section and ignore the other section?

alma
#419 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:06:30 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/20/2007
Posts: 4,432
Muriel wrote:
alma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alma, you see, Islam is a bloody religion that is ironically oft marketed as a 'religion of peace'. That much is indisputable and we have had long debates about it here that have not been refuted so far. Islam asks for tolerance where it is the minority but where its the majority, blood flows freely and a casual look at the areas of its birth confirms this.

Indeed the enemy is within.

The son of the one tasked with collecting local intel on the enemy is the enemy! He could not find intel on his own son how then could he he find intel on his son's friends and their activities?

Al shabab being finished is like Islam being finished. Oh! How we need Hamburglar's manpower!


That's a very silly argument. Christianity is the religion of peace too. Don't let me remind you of the Christian MPIg who was busy raping someone recently.

Humbaglar will not support you, he/she will support me.

The Christian will want to prove that he's peaceful, yet more humans have died in the name of Christ than anyone else.

Remove your religious goggles for once.

You are talking and behaving like the Christian right wing nuts who created the Iraq war. Thanks to them, they killed a lot of fellows then created ISIL. An organisation that is so powerful that countries even the Islamic countries are at a loss on how to control it.

Endeleeni vivyo hivyo with your funny religious arguments and don't be shocked to find ISIL living in Mandera in 6 months.

Wacheni mzaha tafadhali.

It's time for strategic planning which means including those muslims you so love beating with a stick.

Bring Christ out of your heart for a second and realise you must love the Muslim just as you love your God.

Otherwise 200 was a small number.



Alma, the singular and all-important difference is that one claims that what he does is in total obedience to his God. Infact, he insists he will go to heaven to extremely rich rewards because he does it. He will even point out to an 'It is written.' No other religion in this planet has made such an assertion. To this day and age.

Like clockwork, after the event, a section will tell you 'they do not represent Islam'. While the other section insists to you 'this is the will of God'.

Why do you take the word of one section and ignore the other section?



Muriel I see no difference between a lunatic muslim or a lunatic christian. The common denominator is LUNATIC.

Muriel I lived in a society for a part of my life somewhere in the "great" us of A where a black man was supposed to be a slave. It was in the Bible.

So please I don't subscribe to this religion is better than the other arguments. I call that petty and foolhardy.

That's the reason we have constitutions and governments. To bring all the lunatics to one table to agree of modus operandi.

If I wanted a Christian state which christian do you wish me to have as President, Pastor Kanyari, Kiuna or the Archbishop of Kisumu.

We have all fallen short of the favor of God.

So lets deal with issues like this outside the religious prism because sometimes I do wonder if its better to shoot kids or a church stealing gov't land and building a church.

Both have fallen short of the favor of God.

This issue in NE is a political issue clothed in religion. Just happens that the religion there is Islam. But the circumstances my friend are evil.

Just imagine people dressed in uniform coming to rape your mother. Then you are told to accept and move on. I was not talking about NE I was talking about Mau Mau. They fought and beheaded.

Just imagine you are told you can't get a job because you don't have an ID. But your friend pays 3k and gets one. I'm not talking about Somalis I'm talking about the kid from Dandora who can't get a job.

I'm not a genious neither I'm I paid as a gov't talking head. But look at the young kids who passed away. I mean from Butere all the way to Garissa so that you can get a degree. Yet some mother f***ers in Nairobi can get a degree at UON at night coz they have the money yet they don't even do the exams.

You stick to religion. I'll stick to reality.

You can't continue being a corrupt country and expect nice things in life. A country that steals the lives of the young and expect nice things.

Yesterday it was Mungiki, today it is Al Shabaab, pray its the last one.

Corruption KILLS.

Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha said that.

We are going to fight this war with some sense or we are going to take the American way of religious nuts. The Americans have yet to defeat these people. So you think that the Kenyan with Reccee squad appearing 10 hours after children have died with solve the problem? That's lunacy reloaded.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
AlphDoti
#420 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:24:14 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
alma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
alma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alma, you see, Islam is a bloody religion that is ironically oft marketed as a 'religion of peace'. That much is indisputable and we have had long debates about it here that have not been refuted so far. Islam asks for tolerance where it is the minority but where its the majority, blood flows freely and a casual look at the areas of its birth confirms this.

Indeed the enemy is within.

The son of the one tasked with collecting local intel on the enemy is the enemy! He could not find intel on his own son how then could he he find intel on his son's friends and their activities?

Al shabab being finished is like Islam being finished. Oh! How we need Hamburglar's manpower!


That's a very silly argument. Christianity is the religion of peace too. Don't let me remind you of the Christian MPIg who was busy raping someone recently.

Humbaglar will not support you, he/she will support me.

The Christian will want to prove that he's peaceful, yet more humans have died in the name of Christ than anyone else.

Remove your religious goggles for once.

You are talking and behaving like the Christian right wing nuts who created the Iraq war. Thanks to them, they killed a lot of fellows then created ISIL. An organisation that is so powerful that countries even the Islamic countries are at a loss on how to control it.

Endeleeni vivyo hivyo with your funny religious arguments and don't be shocked to find ISIL living in Mandera in 6 months.

Wacheni mzaha tafadhali.

It's time for strategic planning which means including those muslims you so love beating with a stick.

Bring Christ out of your heart for a second and realise you must love the Muslim just as you love your God.

Otherwise 200 was a small number.



Alma, the singular and all-important difference is that one claims that what he does is in total obedience to his God. Infact, he insists he will go to heaven to extremely rich rewards because he does it. He will even point out to an 'It is written.' No other religion in this planet has made such an assertion. To this day and age.

Like clockwork, after the event, a section will tell you 'they do not represent Islam'. While the other section insists to you 'this is the will of God'.

Why do you take the word of one section and ignore the other section?



Muriel I see no difference between a lunatic muslim or a lunatic christian. The common denominator is LUNATIC.

Muriel I lived in a society for a part of my life somewhere in the "great" us of A where a black man was supposed to be a slave. It was in the Bible.

So please I don't subscribe to this religion is better than the other arguments. I call that petty and foolhardy.

That's the reason we have constitutions and governments. To bring all the lunatics to one table to agree of modus operandi.

If I wanted a Christian state which christian do you wish me to have as President, Pastor Kanyari, Kiuna or the Archbishop of Kisumu.

We have all fallen short of the favor of God.

So lets deal with issues like this outside the religious prism because sometimes I do wonder if its better to shoot kids or a church stealing gov't land and building a church.

Both have fallen short of the favor of God.

This issue in NE is a political issue clothed in religion. Just happens that the religion there is Islam. But the circumstances my friend are evil.

Just imagine people dressed in uniform coming to rape your mother. Then you are told to accept and move on. I was not talking about NE I was talking about Mau Mau. They fought and beheaded.

Just imagine you are told you can't get a job because you don't have an ID. But your friend pays 3k and gets one. I'm not talking about Somalis I'm talking about the kid from Dandora who can't get a job.

I'm not a genious neither I'm I paid as a gov't talking head. But look at the young kids who passed away. I mean from Butere all the way to Garissa so that you can get a degree. Yet some mother f***ers in Nairobi can get a degree at UON at night coz they have the money yet they don't even do the exams.

You stick to religion. I'll stick to reality.

You can't continue being a corrupt country and expect nice things in life. A country that steals the lives of the young and expect nice things.

Yesterday it was Mungiki, today it is Al Shabaab, pray its the last one.

Corruption KILLS.

Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha said that.

We are going to fight this war with some sense or we are going to take the American way of religious nuts. The Americans have yet to defeat these people. So you think that the Kenyan with Reccee squad appearing 10 hours after children have died with solve the problem? That's lunacy reloaded.

I'm still reading all the posts I missed, but I cannot resist giving thumbs up to @alma for telling them the way it should be told. Very sober with no emotions and educating at the same time Applause Applause
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