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alma
#401 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 6:17:56 AM
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tycho wrote:
alma wrote:
I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages.

Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom.

The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem.

Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff.

University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play.

I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab.

Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children.

Why?


Don't put a premium on being 'Kenyan'. It would be better to ask why a human would kill another. It can't be because of religious belief. It can only be because there's an 'us' versus 'them' mentality and 'us' is threatened in some way by 'them'. It's about the politics of experience.


You have to put a premium on the word because it seems we are not listening to the wind.

We are busy fighting Al-Shabaab, they are busy fighting a was of cessation. It's working. Everyone is leaving and leaving the vulnerable Kenyan Muslims to fend for themselves.

Quote:
'Garissa and Mombasa are part of our land'

Channel 4 News Africa Reporter Jamal Muhumed Osman today spoke to al-Shabaab and challenged them to explain why they carried out a massacre in a Kenyan university.

The militant group claimed the city is "their land" and told Kenyans to leave.


The worst thing you can do is fight the wrong war. You will lose.

Boka Haram is fighting a cessation war. ISIL is very clear on what they are fighting. And they have tried to get in touch with Al-Shabaab.

The current propaganda from the time in Lamu from Al-Shabaab speaks of cessation.

We are fighting a Muslim vs. Christian War.

The one fighting the wrong war, SHALL lose.

Every time this shit happens, we start screaming that we have to leave those areas to a man.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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kiash
#402 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 6:55:59 AM
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Location: Nyumbani
Mukiri wrote:
Talk is cheap. Everyone has an opinion.

How many days is it since the attack? 147 dead. 1,470 or 14,700 should be escorting them by now. General area of War lord residences, the businessmen's residences, suspected recruitment and training grounds including the mosques.

Kama ni kuongea, let us all talk later. Us and them.


Actually this could have been the norm , dont they say an eye for an eye ? attack me, i attack you. Otherwise people will go back to church and pray for the dead waiting for another list next time and go back to church. Then go donate blood and life will continue. So many lives have gone for nothing. If people cannot take arms, then there is economic sabotage. Do not buy anything from Isirii and South C kama kuna biashara huko. There has always been the 41 againt 1 but why not apply 41 against 1 economic sabotage? watu wataanza kwenda njaa and start denouncing their loved ones!!
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tycho
#403 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 7:09:38 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Alma, humans have never and will never fight over symbols. A country, a religion, an education, these are symbols. But humans will always fight over meanings and experiences. In this case cessation promotes or is taken to promote certain experiences and meanings. That's how symbols get prominence in human conflict. Religion becomes a tool of interpretation and implementation. And the choice of symbol is so arbitrary. For example, there was a time one could comfortably say that England was a Christian nation, now the matter is heavily contentious. Yet the English are apparently fighting ISIL or al Shabaab.

The wrong war is the war of symbols which must be lost. The true war is how a people wish to experience their existence and how others choose to relate with them and why they choose thus.

You've done well to mention the 'Kenyan Muslims'. Do you know why they are apparently forgotten especially if they aren't from the lands associated with cessation? Because they haven't a symbol powerful enough to represent them especially to the non Muslims. The idea of 'ummah' is foreign to the non Muslim mind for example.
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Rahatupu
#404 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:35:22 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 1,982
Location: matano manne
alma wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma wrote:
I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages.

Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom.

The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem.

Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff.

University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play.

I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab.

Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children.

Why?


Don't put a premium on being 'Kenyan'. It would be better to ask why a human would kill another. It can't be because of religious belief. It can only be because there's an 'us' versus 'them' mentality and 'us' is threatened in some way by 'them'. It's about the politics of experience.


You have to put a premium on the word because it seems we are not listening to the wind.

We are busy fighting Al-Shabaab, they are busy fighting a was of cessation. It's working. Everyone is leaving and leaving the vulnerable Kenyan Muslims to fend for themselves.

Quote:
'Garissa and Mombasa are part of our land'

Channel 4 News Africa Reporter Jamal Muhumed Osman today spoke to al-Shabaab and challenged them to explain why they carried out a massacre in a Kenyan university.

The militant group claimed the city is "their land" and told Kenyans to leave.


The worst thing you can do is fight the wrong war. You will lose.

Boka Haram is fighting a cessation war. ISIL is very clear on what they are fighting. And they have tried to get in touch with Al-Shabaab.

The current propaganda from the time in Lamu from Al-Shabaab speaks of cessation.

We are fighting a Muslim vs. Christian War.

The one fighting the wrong war, SHALL lose.

Every time this shit happens, we start screaming that we have to leave those areas to a man.

@alma, I like your reasoning. this thing is bigger than AS. A state of war should be declared before we go the Boko Haram way, Militarize the entire North Eastern a area. Covertly take out all suspected operatives, their sympathisers. .... whole chain.
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Mukiri
#405 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:40:52 AM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
kiash wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Talk is cheap. Everyone has an opinion.

How many days is it since the attack? 147 dead. 1,470 or 14,700 should be escorting them by now. General area of War lord residences, the businessmen's residences, suspected recruitment and training grounds including the mosques.

Kama ni kuongea, let us all talk later. Us and them.


Actually this could have been the norm , dont they say an eye for an eye ? attack me, i attack you. Otherwise people will go back to church and pray for the dead waiting for another list next time and go back to church. Then go donate blood and life will continue. So many lives have gone for nothing. If people cannot take arms, then there is economic sabotage. Do not buy anything from Isirii and South C kama kuna biashara huko. There has always been the 41 againt 1 but why not apply 41 against 1 economic sabotage? watu wataanza kwenda njaa and start denouncing their loved ones!!

Kenya is slowly becoming a dumping ground. Fake Chinese products, expired goods, old cars and now terrorists. We are setting a very unfortunate precedence.

Proverbs 19:21
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Dahatre
#406 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:49:23 AM
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Joined: 12/21/2009
Posts: 602
Guys,

If you have bandwidth, listen to Mohammed Adow in the video below

There is a lot of resentment towards the actions of the Kenyan government going back to the the Shifta war among ethnic Kenyan Somalis throughout the former NE province. The flash points appear to be Garissa and Mandera. Listen to the older men comparing their treatment by Kenyatta and Moi's gavas to the way the British treated Mau Mau.

The level of bitterness in that video does not require the input of Al-shabbab. The Kenyan Kids raised by these men are coming of age and acting on that resentment. Adow actually cries at the end....
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Siringi
#407 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:50:26 AM
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Joined: 6/8/2013
Posts: 2,517
very touched by the online accounts and tribute to the massacred students Pray lest we forhet them

#147isnotjustanumber
#theyhavenames
#garissaattack
"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Siringi
#408 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:13:58 AM
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Joined: 6/8/2013
Posts: 2,517
Did peeps follow the Grand Mullah's take on things Garissa?


"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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kaka2za
#409 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:19:02 AM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,058
Location: Gwitu
Kenyans ! You are on your own. Gava will only send the meat vans after 8hrs!
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Impunity
#410 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:23:35 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,335
Location: Masada
MatataMingi wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Swenani wrote:
I was wondering why would a human being kill/maime another human being s/he has never met before?Then I realised it's possible going by what happens here on wazua;Our hate for team otoyo,2pm gang, lakers, mountaineers is too much yet we have never met, what if that hate is taken offline?....I suspect the death toll will be higher than the 147


We are all terrorist.The Alshabab are more bold than we are! We are a bunch of cowards terrorists

If I were to meet the wazua terrorist and his jihadist bride.......


@mawinde. Who are these people you are referring to, and what would you do ........................


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