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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Alba wrote:jaggernaut wrote:
There's actually a KDF army barrack at garrisa, thats where those soldiers and tanks that you saw during the attack came from. Also note that garissa was the provincial police hqts for NE province and thus has heavy police presence.
The reports I am readings suggest that it took 7 hours for KDF/GSU to respond to the Garrissa attack and that the respondents were flown from Nairobi and not Garissa. If this is true then it is sheer madness. Given all the terror prevalent in Northeastern, Kenya needs rapid response units stationed in Mandera, Wajir and Garissa Its good to have a tank battalion in Garissa but more critical is unit that specifically deals with acts of terror. Some education sir, KDF and GSU are two command units. KDF is not equipped nor trained to deal with situations such as those that occurred in Garissa or Westgate..they are bush people, "kill everything on sight" on the other hand GSU guys are a response unit, they are trained on rescue operations and kill a target. My thinking is we need more response units More Recces stationed in Garissa, Msa, and Nrb since those are the trouble areas. There's no GSU camp in Garissa, but there's one somewhere after Thika, why are these guys not equipped? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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murchr wrote:
Some education sir, KDF and GSU are two command units. KDF is not equipped nor trained to deal with situations such as those that occurred in Garissa or Westgate..they are bush people, "kill everything on sight" on the other hand GSU guys are a response unit, they are trained on rescue operations and kill a target.
My thinking is we need more response units More Recces stationed in Garissa, Msa, and Nrb since those are the trouble areas. There's no GSU camp in Garissa, but there's one somewhere after Thika, why are these guys not equipped?
If you took time to read my post before responding, you would jave noticed that I said that we need a rapid response unit in Mandera, Wajir and Garissa and I specifically said that a normal army unit is not enough. That Sunday Nation report suggests that the Recce Unit was flown from Ruiru and their equipment had to travel by road to Garissa. That is madness. In any case, that Sunday Nation report lays bare the fact that Kenya fumbled yet another terror attack. A senior officers says its as if we never learned anything from westgate. Again it is due to appointing people based on politics instead of competence.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Alba wrote:murchr wrote:
Some education sir, KDF and GSU are two command units. KDF is not equipped nor trained to deal with situations such as those that occurred in Garissa or Westgate..they are bush people, "kill everything on sight" on the other hand GSU guys are a response unit, they are trained on rescue operations and kill a target.
My thinking is we need more response units More Recces stationed in Garissa, Msa, and Nrb since those are the trouble areas. There's no GSU camp in Garissa, but there's one somewhere after Thika, why are these guys not equipped?
If you took time to read my post before responding, you would jave noticed that I said that we need a rapid response unit in Mandera, Wajir and Garissa and I specifically said that a normal army unit is not enough. That Sunday Nation report suggests that the Recce Unit was flown from Ruiru and their equipment had to travel by road to Garissa. That is madness. In any case, that Sunday Nation report lays bare the fact that Kenya fumbled yet another terror attack. A senior officers says its as if we never learned anything from westgate. Again it is due to appointing people based on politics instead of competence. I agree we are very useless when it comes to decision making and critical thinking. I thought its a rule of war that when a soldier is called upon, you get out with your weapon. So how is it that these guys left with nothing and just boarded a plane? Are you seeing a problem there? I dont think Ole lenku, Nkaiserry or that new IG have the solution. We have no mechanisms in place when it comes to disaster preparedness. Do our forces carryout drills? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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murchr wrote:Alba wrote:murchr wrote:
Some education sir, KDF and GSU are two command units. KDF is not equipped nor trained to deal with situations such as those that occurred in Garissa or Westgate..they are bush people, "kill everything on sight" on the other hand GSU guys are a response unit, they are trained on rescue operations and kill a target.
My thinking is we need more response units More Recces stationed in Garissa, Msa, and Nrb since those are the trouble areas. There's no GSU camp in Garissa, but there's one somewhere after Thika, why are these guys not equipped?
If you took time to read my post before responding, you would jave noticed that I said that we need a rapid response unit in Mandera, Wajir and Garissa and I specifically said that a normal army unit is not enough. That Sunday Nation report suggests that the Recce Unit was flown from Ruiru and their equipment had to travel by road to Garissa. That is madness. In any case, that Sunday Nation report lays bare the fact that Kenya fumbled yet another terror attack. A senior officers says its as if we never learned anything from westgate. Again it is due to appointing people based on politics instead of competence. I agree we are very useless when it comes to decision making and critical thinking. I thought its a rule of war that when a soldier is called upon, you get out with your weapon. So how is it that these guys left with nothing and just boarded a plane? Are you seeing a problem there? I dont think Ole lenku, Nkaiserry or that new IG have the solution. We have no mechanisms in place when it comes to disaster preparedness. Do our forces carryout drills? it was mentioned somewhere the hardware they use was too heavy for the plane they were using.
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murchr wrote:
After 911 and several school shootings, almost all schools in the US have a school police post. All employees have to be vetted thoroughly(background checks). The American public is always alert such that if anyone comes across some substance on their way to sch/work etc they immediately call 911 even if its Unga ya ugali, who knows could be some anthrax powder. We have to accept that we live with evil beings, and its a worldwide phenomenon. The public needs education, not to be told that the RECCE squad is not well paid. Who is anyway?
The laxity within our police is a Kenyan thing. Go anywhere, no one takes their job seriously
At this point we need a REECE unit or other properly equipped and trained rapid response team in every county. We can't assume that terrorists will only attack the coast, Nairobi or NE regions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Talk is cheap. Everyone has an opinion. How many days is it since the attack? 147 dead. 1,470 or 14,700 should be escorting them by now. General area of War lord residences, the businessmen's residences, suspected recruitment and training grounds including the mosques. Kama ni kuongea, let us all talk later. Us and them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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MatataMingi wrote:Swenani wrote:I was wondering why would a human being kill/maime another human being s/he has never met before?Then I realised it's possible going by what happens here on wazua;Our hate for team otoyo,2pm gang, lakers, mountaineers is too much yet we have never met, what if that hate is taken offline?....I suspect the death toll will be higher than the 147
We are all terrorist.The Alshabab are more bold than we are! We are a bunch of cowards terrorists Until we are all allowed to have guns. Then we will ambush and shoot each other - instead of hating each other here. Such is human nature. Amani haiji ila kwa ncha la upanga!
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#147isnotjustanumber #Theyhavenames lest we forget them "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages. Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom. The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem. Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff. University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play. I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab. Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children. Why? Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma wrote:I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages.
Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom.
The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem.
Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff.
University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play.
I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab.
Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children.
Why? Kusema ukweli, the incidents have become too many i don't even remember the pangani attack...when was it carried out? On the question "Why"? Because they have been brainwashed to believe that there's a reward awaiting them (72 Virgins) and that they have the power to fight for their god. Its the same thing that happens to those who get into cults "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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