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Chimp versus Sheep - defeating terror
sparkly
#1 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 9:08:31 AM
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A leopard - muscle, claws, jaws, fangs attacks a lone chimp. It's no contest, Chimp loses in minutes. Same case if the leopard attacks a lone sheep.

Leopard attacks a gang of chimps however, the chimps will defend themselves, make noise, bite, hustle the leopard. Chimps will lose one or two but if the leopard does not retreat in time it will also go to Makueni.

Sheep on the other hand... The leopard can pick them out one by one as the sheep bleat aimlessly until it is tired of the routine.

Back to Garissa 4 terrorists attack 800, fairly homogenous, able bodied men and women, in confined spaces. They go on a shooting spree for 10 hours. Even had the time to tell victims to call their relatives and recite their last prayers.

Knowing that the terrorists will never stop shooting until they run out of bullets, would the fatalities and injuries have been fewer if the students had put up resistance? I think so.

IMO Simple strategies like raising alarm, blowing whistles, shouting, causing a rackus and mounting an active resistance would have reduced casualties.

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Much Know
#2 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 9:21:45 AM
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After September 11 plane hijackings, i believe this idea of "not cooperating/forcibly resisting" terrorist in a hostage situation was widely promoted. Because at the end of they day they will kill you, it is better, the analyst said, to go for the terrorist, chances of survival for you are higher! unlike a robbery case where you cooperate.
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maka
#3 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 9:32:13 AM
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sparkly wrote:
A leopard - muscle, claws, jaws, fangs attacks a lone chimp. It's no contest, Chimp loses in minutes. Same case if the leopard attacks a lone sheep.

Leopard attacks a gang of chimps however, the chimps will defend themselves, make noise, bite, hustle the leopard. Chimps will lose one or two but if the leopard does not retreat in time it will also go to Makueni.

Sheep on the other hand... The leopard can pick them out one by one as the sheep bleat aimlessly until it is tired of the routine.

Back to Garissa 4 terrorists attack 800, fairly homogenous, able bodied men and women, in confined spaces. They go on a shooting spree for 10 hours. Even had the time to tell victims to call their relatives and recite their last prayers.

Knowing that the terrorists will never stop shooting until they run out of bullets, would the fatalities and injuries have been fewer if the students had put up resistance? I think so.

IMO Simple strategies like raising alarm, blowing whistles, shouting, causing a rackus and mounting an active resistance would have reduced casualties.



@Sparkly had a discussion about this yesterday and majority of the peeps were like you,d rather fight as the outcome is usually certain death,the imbeciles can never forgive you...Flight 93 during 9-11 was a clear example the death toll would have been much higher than the 3000 if the crew and passengers did not fight back...but typing this from the comfort of my home makes it look easy...face to face with gun weilding shaababs am sure all faculties fail.
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#4 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 10:21:12 AM
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Easier said than done.
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tycho
#5 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 10:35:06 AM
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Know yourself and the enemy and you can win all battles. The students were not an organized force. They weren't many in effect. Each was alone.
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#6 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 11:05:43 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
Easier said than done.


True, they probably have never heard a gun shot and knowing how hostels are built, they might have been alone or at most 2 per room.
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Robinhood
#7 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 4:22:52 PM
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Now we blame the victims for their situation. Was wondering when this would come. Oh, and they said the same about the Jews massacred by Hitler.
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sparkly
#8 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 4:54:00 PM
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As part of the war against terror, the authorities should instruct citizens on how to defend themselves in case of a terror attack. For a start any institution with 200 people or more in it precincts should undergo terror preparedness training. The threat is very real.


Isn't ironical that every premises should have a fire extinguisher, fire licence, fire escape and do drills but the likes of UON, Village Market, The Junction and KNH are perpetually on terror warning lists but you don't hear of any precautions to take in case of a terror attack?
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sparkly
#9 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 4:56:56 PM
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Robinhood wrote:
Now we blame the victims for their situation. Was wondering when this would come. Oh, and they said the same about the Jews massacred by Hitler.


The victims are gone. What can be done to improve your chances of survival should you be caught up in an attack?
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sparkly
#10 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 4:59:29 PM
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tycho wrote:
Know yourself and the enemy and you can win all battles. The students were not an organized force. They weren't many in effect. Each was alone.


Exactly. Maybe having student security marshals in each class, hostel would have increased survival odds.
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