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Garissa university attack.
Mukiri
#341 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 12:55:29 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
streetwise wrote:
You are spot on. Use same or worse methods like the enemy. Why did mugiki subside their activities. Was it because many of them were jailed ?

kill and bury them.hakuna kupatikana!

But something still stinks on the response. Paathetic

@Lolest, For those comparing Ke with Ethiopia and Uganda, the law there does not favour the suspects unlike here where they know they have rights and bond is one of the rights. Mutua will ventilate and say even the scam of the earth have rights. Uncle Sam saw this and invented Guantanamo and water bording. Copy cat Ke has the most progressive constitution. I say it here again, @alma and @alphdoti, kill the idiots and smoke them out let them disappear without trace, the blood of 148 must be avenged with more vegence than they can contenance. The best defence against AS remains preemptive action again st them way before they strike. Like a Garissa resident said no law for the lawless, let's have their flesh for breakfast lunch and dinner.

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maka
#342 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 1:13:18 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Mukiri wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
streetwise wrote:
You are spot on. Use same or worse methods like the enemy. Why did mugiki subside their activities. Was it because many of them were jailed ?

kill and bury them.hakuna kupatikana!

But something still stinks on the response. Paathetic

@Lolest, For those comparing Ke with Ethiopia and Uganda, the law there does not favour the suspects unlike here where they know they have rights and bond is one of the rights. Mutua will ventilate and say even the scam of the earth have rights. Uncle Sam saw this and invented Guantanamo and water bording. Copy cat Ke has the most progressive constitution. I say it here again, @alma and @alphdoti, kill the idiots and smoke them out let them disappear without trace, the blood of 148 must be avenged with more vegence than they can contenance. The best defence against AS remains preemptive action again st them way before they strike. Like a Garissa resident said no law for the lawless, let's have their flesh for breakfast lunch and dinner.

Charity begins at home. Here in Wazua


First fix the security apparatus then work on elimination...doing the latter without working on the former will just lead to more bodies...
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tycho
#343 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 3:54:45 AM
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Location: Nairobi
A lesson and measure from 'the art of war': The wise win before they fight; the ignorant fight to win.
harrydre
#344 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 4:16:23 AM
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Location: Kanjo
Here we go again. It sounds like terror would never end until govt sits down with some people to dialogue. Don't these politicians have any feelings?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2dZ-Jhc_tX8


i.am.back!!!!
Shak
#345 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 8:15:29 AM
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Location: Africa
Alba wrote:
Revenge and counter revenge will not defeat Al Shabab. Kenya needs to do basic things better like intelligence analysis or even just taking intelligence seriously.

Kenya needs rapid response forces stationed in Mandera, Wajir and Garrissa. GSU should now focus on training to confront terror and not training to beat up protesting wananchi.

Its a shame that Kenya does not have significant military presence in Garrissa. Fat Police wearing pati pati should not be responding to acts of terror.

Like!
limanika
#346 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 8:28:43 AM
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tycho wrote:
limanika wrote:
tycho wrote:
I realize that some of us are deeply interested if not involved with security matters, and mostly intelligence. I have been interested in these matters also.

So, I'd like to ask a question that has been in my mind. . .

What would make the al Shabaab claim that it's going to be 'a long and gruesome war'?

The war lords and somali businessmen, many in Kenya and many in Somalia used to benefit from access to kismayu and piracy. The moment KDF captured kismayo, their fortunes all but dwidled. Those in Kenya who were rich have sons who have seen their family fortunes change overnight. They remember the 'good old days' with nolstagia, and also know one thing..only KDF stands in their way back to those days. Hence, they just need KDF to withdraw, they can easily deal with Somali army. Since we have snatched their bread and butter, hence the statement. It means things will get worse so long as we stay in somalia. Sometimes I wonder, if we withdraw, won't these shabaab be too busy fighting amongst themselves, and then international community finds ways of dealing with piracy?


I get your point. In a sense it seems like you've translated what they've said explicitly. But here they are also talking about at least, how they'd like to perceive this war, and for practical reasons how they perceive this war. This is about strategy, tactics and the emergent situation ... you get my drift?

On strategy the shabab is using, it is contradictory and utter nonsense - for instance, they say they are attacking kenya because 'our troops are in somalia', but when attacking they spare muslims...does it mean it is only bad for non-muslims to be in N.E when our troops are in somalia? And aren't there sections of koran that can be quoted even in the media to dissuade the radicalised youth? i wonder why the govt and muslim leaders are not employing 'propagada' to win back the hearts of the young ones who are being radicalised
limanika
#347 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 8:36:26 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
limanika wrote:
tycho wrote:
I realize that some of us are deeply interested if not involved with security matters, and mostly intelligence. I have been interested in these matters also.

So, I'd like to ask a question that has been in my mind. . .

What would make the al Shabaab claim that it's going to be 'a long and gruesome war'?

The war lords and somali businessmen, many in Kenya and many in Somalia used to benefit from access to kismayu and piracy. The moment KDF captured kismayo, their fortunes all but dwidled. Those in Kenya who were rich have sons who have seen their family fortunes change overnight. They remember the 'good old days' with nolstagia, and also know one thing..only KDF stands in their way back to those days. Hence, they just need KDF to withdraw, they can easily deal with Somali army. Since we have snatched their bread and butter, hence the statement. It means things will get worse so long as we stay in somalia. Sometimes I wonder, if we withdraw, won't these shabaab be too busy fighting amongst themselves, and then international community finds ways of dealing with piracy?

Before KDF went to Somalia, pirates were having a field day hijacking vessels so I can't support withdrawing troops before there is a stable govt. Cost of business at the mombasa post had gone up n insurance premium for cargo had gone up.The only people that had an upper hand were people importing goods through Kismayu though that meant they were bankrolling AS. Like a certain governer who imported tonnes of sugar, repackaged n sold it n declared magical profits year on year.There are at least two other companies I know that did the same.On another twist, some powers that be don't want Somali to be stable coz it poses great economic threat to Kenya. They have a massive coastline that would render mombasa n Lamu ports almost irrelevant.

Nobody has said the problems will end overnight when we withdraw. Since Ethiopia seems to be safe, why not for instance ask them to take over the sourthern sections and we leave it to them. In a nutshell, because of our system failures / clueless agencies, kenya will suffer in both cases, whether our troops are in somalia or not. But since we are not able/willing to employ the correct counter terrorism measures, kenya will have more problems when the troops remain in somalia. It is a case of choosing the 'lesser evil'
Shak
#348 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 8:57:00 AM
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Why are our lawyers developing murderous tendencies? First it was Paul Magu and now this boy!
sparkly
#349 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 9:15:34 AM
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Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Shak wrote:
Why are our lawyers developing murderous tendencies? First it was Paul Magu and now this boy!


What is the connection. Can you proof that Magi and this boy's killing arises from their being lawyers?

To me religious fanaticism looks like the common thread rather than the fact that they used the same hostels, mess, library and lectures theatres at parklands campus.
Life is short. Live passionately.
maka
#350 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 9:36:02 AM
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Location: Nairobi
Shak wrote:
Why are our lawyers developing murderous tendencies? First it was Paul Magu and now this boy!


2 out of around 11 or so thousand.
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