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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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To those dismissing the so called D material cops, kwani hawa special units are, selected from law schools.
Those involved in setting up structures are the A material bureaucrats, and those are the ones who have failed so far.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 323
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whiteowl wrote:limanika wrote:tycho wrote:I realize that some of us are deeply interested if not involved with security matters, and mostly intelligence. I have been interested in these matters also.
So, I'd like to ask a question that has been in my mind. . .
What would make the al Shabaab claim that it's going to be 'a long and gruesome war'? The war lords and somali businessmen, many in Kenya and many in Somalia used to benefit from access to kismayu and piracy. The moment KDF captured kismayo, their fortunes all but dwidled. Those in Kenya who were rich have sons who have seen their family fortunes change overnight. They remember the 'good old days' with nolstagia, and also know one thing..only KDF stands in their way back to those days. Hence, they just need KDF to withdraw, they can easily deal with Somali army. Since we have snatched their bread and butter, hence the statement. It means things will get worse so long as we stay in somalia. Sometimes I wonder, if we withdraw, won't these shabaab be too busy fighting amongst themselves, and then international community finds ways of dealing with piracy? Before KDF went to Somalia, pirates were having a field day hijacking vessels so I can't support withdrawing troops before there is a stable govt. Cost of business at the mombasa post had gone up n insurance premium for cargo had gone up.The only people that had an upper hand were people importing goods through Kismayu though that meant they were bankrolling AS. Like a certain governer who imported tonnes of sugar, repackaged n sold it n declared magical profits year on year.There are at least two other companies I know that did the same.On another twist, some powers that be don't want Somali to be stable coz it poses great economic threat to Kenya. They have a massive coastline that would render mombasa n Lamu ports almost irrelevant. i agree with this thinking so far. Islamic courts=Al shabab= money=power which they lost and will fight to have back. Their business had even reached deep in our economy politics real estate banking business.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Mukiri wrote:C & P
THIS IS WHY MUSLIM TERRORISTS DON'T KIDNAP RUSSIANS.
Jan 6 ,1986
~JERUSALEM — The KGB has adopted novel, brutal and apparently effective methods of dealing with terrorists who attack Soviet interests in the Middle East, an Israeli newspaper reported Monday.
The Jerusalem Post said the Soviet secret police last year secured the release of three kidnaped Soviet diplomats in Beirut by castrating a relative of a radical Lebanese Shia Muslim leader, sending him the severed organs and then shooting the relative in the head.
The incident began when four Soviet diplomats were kidnaped last September by Muslim extremists who demanded that Moscow pressure the Syrian government to stop pro-Syrian militiamen from shelling rival Muslim positions in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli.
The militiamen, the Jerusalem paper said, did not cease their attacks, and the body of one of the Soviet diplomats, Arkady Katkov, was found a few days later in a field in Beirut.
The KGB then apparently kidnaped and killed a relative of an unnamed leader of the Shias' Hezbollah (Party of God) group, a radical, pro-Iranian group that has been suspected of various terrorist activities against Western targets in Lebanon.
Parts of the man's body, the paper said, were then sent to the Hezbollah leader with a warning that he would lose other relatives in a similar fashion if the three remaining Soviet diplomats were not immediately released. They were quickly freed.
The newspaper quoted "observers in Jerusalem" as saying: "This is the way the Soviets operate. They do things--they don't talk. And this is the language Hezbollah understands."
LA times try this in Litigania. you will face HRights groups and sanctions
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/28/2008 Posts: 2,276 Location: Kibish
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Kudos Rendition and CRT! Nadondosha meli kubwa seuze ngalawa!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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streetwise wrote:You are spot on. Use same or worse methods like the enemy. Why did mugiki subside their activities. Was it because many of them were jailed ? kill and bury them.hakuna kupatikana! But something still stinks on the response. Paathetic
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/6/2013 Posts: 640
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Rahatupu wrote:Way forward could entail the formation of a counter Mungiki task force to eliminate all known and suspected Shabaab youths. Elimination of all known sympathisers and financiers of the Rogo, Makaburi and Butt ilk. UA maliza UA. Its all good.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Lolest! wrote:streetwise wrote:You are spot on. Use same or worse methods like the enemy. Why did mugiki subside their activities. Was it because many of them were jailed ? kill and bury them.hakuna kupatikana! But something still stinks on the response. Paathetic @Lolest, For those comparing Ke with Ethiopia and Uganda, the law there does not favour the suspects unlike here where they know they have rights and bond is one of the rights. Mutua will ventilate and say even the scam of the earth have rights. Uncle Sam saw this and invented Guantanamo and water bording. Copy cat Ke has the most progressive constitution. I say it here again, @alma and @alphdoti, kill the idiots and smoke them out let them disappear without trace, the blood of 148 must be avenged with more vegence than they can contenance. The best defence against AS remains preemptive action again st them way before they strike. Like a Garissa resident said no law for the lawless, let's have their flesh for breakfast lunch and dinner.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Revenge and counter revenge will not defeat Al Shabab. Kenya needs to do basic things better like intelligence analysis or even just taking intelligence seriously.
Kenya needs rapid response forces stationed in Mandera, Wajir and Garrissa. GSU should now focus on training to confront terror and not training to beat up protesting wananchi.
Its a shame that Kenya does not have significant military presence in Garrissa. Fat Police wearing pati pati should not be responding to acts of terror.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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jokes wrote:Mukiri wrote:C & P
THIS IS WHY MUSLIM TERRORISTS DON'T KIDNAP RUSSIANS.
Jan 6 ,1986
~JERUSALEM — The KGB has adopted novel, brutal and apparently effective methods of dealing with terrorists who attack Soviet interests in the Middle East, an Israeli newspaper reported Monday.
The Jerusalem Post said the Soviet secret police last year secured the release of three kidnaped Soviet diplomats in Beirut by castrating a relative of a radical Lebanese Shia Muslim leader, sending him the severed organs and then shooting the relative in the head.
The incident began when four Soviet diplomats were kidnaped last September by Muslim extremists who demanded that Moscow pressure the Syrian government to stop pro-Syrian militiamen from shelling rival Muslim positions in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli.
The militiamen, the Jerusalem paper said, did not cease their attacks, and the body of one of the Soviet diplomats, Arkady Katkov, was found a few days later in a field in Beirut.
The KGB then apparently kidnaped and killed a relative of an unnamed leader of the Shias' Hezbollah (Party of God) group, a radical, pro-Iranian group that has been suspected of various terrorist activities against Western targets in Lebanon.
Parts of the man's body, the paper said, were then sent to the Hezbollah leader with a warning that he would lose other relatives in a similar fashion if the three remaining Soviet diplomats were not immediately released. They were quickly freed.
The newspaper quoted "observers in Jerusalem" as saying: "This is the way the Soviets operate. They do things--they don't talk. And this is the language Hezbollah understands."
LA times what are you saying?  though i like your thinking Words of the Alph character... 'Language that is understood'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Lolest! wrote:Mukiri wrote:C & P
THIS IS WHY MUSLIM TERRORISTS DON'T KIDNAP RUSSIANS.
Jan 6 ,1986
~JERUSALEM — The KGB has adopted novel, brutal and apparently effective methods of dealing with terrorists who attack Soviet interests in the Middle East, an Israeli newspaper reported Monday.
The Jerusalem Post said the Soviet secret police last year secured the release of three kidnaped Soviet diplomats in Beirut by castrating a relative of a radical Lebanese Shia Muslim leader, sending him the severed organs and then shooting the relative in the head.
The incident began when four Soviet diplomats were kidnaped last September by Muslim extremists who demanded that Moscow pressure the Syrian government to stop pro-Syrian militiamen from shelling rival Muslim positions in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli.
The militiamen, the Jerusalem paper said, did not cease their attacks, and the body of one of the Soviet diplomats, Arkady Katkov, was found a few days later in a field in Beirut.
The KGB then apparently kidnaped and killed a relative of an unnamed leader of the Shias' Hezbollah (Party of God) group, a radical, pro-Iranian group that has been suspected of various terrorist activities against Western targets in Lebanon.
Parts of the man's body, the paper said, were then sent to the Hezbollah leader with a warning that he would lose other relatives in a similar fashion if the three remaining Soviet diplomats were not immediately released. They were quickly freed.
The newspaper quoted "observers in Jerusalem" as saying: "This is the way the Soviets operate. They do things--they don't talk. And this is the language Hezbollah understands."
LA times try this in Litigania. you will face HRights groups and sanctions ... and no more terror. Malizia sentesi
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