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Rank: Member Joined: 7/31/2007 Posts: 341
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nakujua wrote:chris79 wrote:MaichBlack wrote:@chris79 - If you talk to me for a minute, it will consume only 0.3 MB of your data. That is 30 cents on a relatively expensive data bundle. How cheap do you think people are? 30 cents!!!
Are we talking about the Kenya who keep sending each other pictures and videos on WhatsApp that gobble MBs at a much much higher rate??? And that exactly is my point. People send these pictures and videos because they CHOOSE to and because they have sufficient bundles to do so. Recieving a whatsapp call takes away the control you have over how your bundles are consumed. The.0.3 MB might sound insignificant to you but that's for only one call. If you make several calls in a day the cost might equal or even surpass the cost of a normal call. But receiving the images, videos and text also consume data. You can actually choose whether or not to download the video or image. Receiving a text is virtually free of charge.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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chris79 wrote:nakujua wrote:chris79 wrote:MaichBlack wrote:@chris79 - If you talk to me for a minute, it will consume only 0.3 MB of your data. That is 30 cents on a relatively expensive data bundle. How cheap do you think people are? 30 cents!!!
Are we talking about the Kenya who keep sending each other pictures and videos on WhatsApp that gobble MBs at a much much higher rate??? And that exactly is my point. People send these pictures and videos because they CHOOSE to and because they have sufficient bundles to do so. Recieving a whatsapp call takes away the control you have over how your bundles are consumed. The.0.3 MB might sound insignificant to you but that's for only one call. If you make several calls in a day the cost might equal or even surpass the cost of a normal call. But receiving the images, videos and text also consume data. You can actually choose whether or not to download the video or image. Receiving a text is virtually free of charge. One can also choose to receive or reject a call - the issue was that people will not want to be charged to receive calls, but we have people who have no issue being charged to receive content images, videos and text. Receiving texts is not virtually free of charge - its very cheap, you can see what lower data costs can do.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Am loving it for International calls 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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Link: Big Deal! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/22/2015 Posts: 61
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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washiku wrote:Am loving it for International calls Sasa Viber na skype kwisha especially for the international calls. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 411
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PeterReborn wrote:washiku wrote:Am loving it for International calls Sasa Viber na skype kwisha especially for the international calls. Voice clarity is poor on international calls. Your income is directly related to your philosophy, Not the economy.-Jim Rohn
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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I told people here that WhatsApp calling will eat into the revenue of mobile service providers and some people insisted that somehow it was not going to happen! Well, well, it is already happening!! The service providers say so! The numbers say so. Things are so thick that this was one of the things discussed at the International Telecommunication Union Global Symposium for Regulators. The providers are asking for protection from regulators! WhatsApp Calling Eats Into Mobile Providers RevenueNever count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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derick wrote:PeterReborn wrote:washiku wrote:Am loving it for International calls Sasa Viber na skype kwisha especially for the international calls. Voice clarity is poor on international calls. Also depends on where you are calling/receiving a call from Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/31/2007 Posts: 341
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MaichBlack wrote:I told people here that WhatsApp calling will eat into the revenue of mobile service providers and some people insisted that somehow it was not going to happen! Well, well, it is already happening!! The service providers say so! The numbers say so. Things are so thick that this was one of the things discussed at the International Telecommunication Union Global Symposium for Regulators. The providers are asking for protection from regulators! WhatsApp Calling Eats Into Mobile Providers Revenue I think this is more to do with the poor strategy employed by Airtel. You can't offer freebies and expect to make money.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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chris79 wrote:MaichBlack wrote:I told people here that WhatsApp calling will eat into the revenue of mobile service providers and some people insisted that somehow it was not going to happen! Well, well, it is already happening!! The service providers say so! The numbers say so. Things are so thick that this was one of the things discussed at the International Telecommunication Union Global Symposium for Regulators. The providers are asking for protection from regulators! WhatsApp Calling Eats Into Mobile Providers Revenue I think this is more to do with the poor strategy employed by Airtel. You can't offer freebies and expect to make money. I don't think they are referring to their kenyan market, hiyo they gave up kitambo - but they are way bigger especially when you consider their african operations and so them commenting on that shows that they have noticed a trend especially across africa, which if true should worry other telcos especially in africa.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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chris79 wrote:MaichBlack wrote:I told people here that WhatsApp calling will eat into the revenue of mobile service providers and some people insisted that somehow it was not going to happen! Well, well, it is already happening!! The service providers say so! The numbers say so. Things are so thick that this was one of the things discussed at the International Telecommunication Union Global Symposium for Regulators. The providers are asking for protection from regulators! WhatsApp Calling Eats Into Mobile Providers Revenue I think this is more to do with the poor strategy employed by Airtel. You can't offer freebies and expect to make money. Airtel will blame everyone for not making money "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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chris79 wrote:MaichBlack wrote:I told people here that WhatsApp calling will eat into the revenue of mobile service providers and some people insisted that somehow it was not going to happen! Well, well, it is already happening!! The service providers say so! The numbers say so. Things are so thick that this was one of the things discussed at the International Telecommunication Union Global Symposium for Regulators. The providers are asking for protection from regulators! WhatsApp Calling Eats Into Mobile Providers Revenue I think this is more to do with the poor strategy employed by Airtel. You can't offer freebies and expect to make money. The issue is not making money. It is the fact that the MINUTES have reduced. Now, if you are giving freebies and the minutes are reducing, it shows that matters are much more worse!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/14/2011 Posts: 661
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watesh wrote:McReggae wrote:nakujua wrote:Lolest! wrote:MaichBlack wrote:wilyum wrote:
if viber hasn't picked, i don't foresee this one picking too.
Have you tried to make a call on Viber? Now try WhatsApp. And people are already on WhatsApp. No installation, configuration, marketing etc. required. I am a Safaricom shareholder. I am also a realist. No emotions or unfounded hope! Voice income will take a hit! Safcom have known this for years. Hopefully their other income streams will cushion the company. I've heard of viber before, never used it But with whatsapp launching call service, and most guys are already on it, I see a challenge for telcos They may not die as @nakujua was suggesting in another thread. But the good times might come to an end It will happens gradually, of course pegged on data availability. Give the dumb phones 5 years and finding one will be like trying to get the nokia 3310 now. The thing that might pull more people into services like whatsup is the multiple channels available, voice, text, sending images, sending videos and of course it will not be pegged to a single telco. Even our mp's are using it ... I agree, with time this will be a game changer, for a starter next time I go home I will carry at least 10 cheap android phones with the whatsapp functionality for my folks!!!!! Voice revenue still covers 60% and smartphone devices are over 5 million, thats close to 20% of subscribers. If each gets fast internet service then the whatsapp call functionality will be clear. Voice revenue will take a hit just like whatsapp did for SMS. Data will grow but may not bring as much revenue as voice calls Why telcos want Facebook and WhatsApp regulated
are threatening to wipe out their main source of revenue. Ministry of ICT and the regulator, Communications Authority of Kenya (CA), say they are weighing options on how to reign in the revenue loss by the companies and the taxman. OTT players avoid high licence fees paid locally, giving them unfair advantage. Globally, network companies say Skype, Viber, WhatsApp, Chat On, Snapchat, Instagram, Kik, Google and Talk generate huge amounts of traffic but do not compensate them for using their infrastructure. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/d16birz/-/index.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,501 Location: nairobi
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MaichBlack wrote:chris79 wrote:MaichBlack wrote:I told people here that WhatsApp calling will eat into the revenue of mobile service providers and some people insisted that somehow it was not going to happen! Well, well, it is already happening!! The service providers say so! The numbers say so. Things are so thick that this was one of the things discussed at the International Telecommunication Union Global Symposium for Regulators. The providers are asking for protection from regulators! WhatsApp Calling Eats Into Mobile Providers Revenue I think this is more to do with the poor strategy employed by Airtel. You can't offer freebies and expect to make money. The issue is not making money. It is the fact that the MINUTES have reduced. Now, if you are giving freebies and the minutes are reducing, it shows that matters are much more worse!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:Facebook plans to set up an office in Kenya to tap into mobile money success in East Africa, increasing threats to wipe out the main source of revenue for telecommunications firms.
The social media giant set up shop in South Africa on June 29 and has listed Kenya and Nigeria as its anchor countries to grow business. Its regional interest comes when telcos have raised fears of the rise in voice-call platforms such as Facebook Messenger, Viber and WhatsApp.
“Facebook will partner with governments, telecom operators, agencies and other stakeholders to deliver localised solutions to advertisers and users continent-wide.
"It will continue to focus on tailoring solutions, metrics and ad formats to the needs of customers and advertisers in the mobile-first, mobile-only African environment,” said Ari Kesisoglu, the regional director for the Middle East and Africa at Facebook. http://www.nation.co.ke/...40/-/wjpsug/-/index.html
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