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Rank: Member Joined: 5/22/2014 Posts: 321 Location: Ndeiya
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alma wrote:
Corruption killed these young souls and I was part of it by keeping quiet and moving on.
Worrying statistics. The death of one person is Painful. 200 is outrageous.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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One big fat lie! I have been wondering if the matter could have been handled better on the ground! For instance, when our security personnel got there, would it have helped matters if they made loud announcement that all students storm out running. That way the terrorist would only have managed to shoot not so many as opposed to what happened, - where they were being picked like sitting ducks! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Ngalaka wrote:One big fat lie! I have been wondering if the matter could have been handled better on the ground! For instance, when our security personnel got there, would it have helped matters if they made loud announcement that all students storm out running. That way the terrorist would only have managed to shoot not so many as opposed to what happened, - where they were being picked like sitting ducks! If you see one pic from a scene in the dormitories, you will pass that point of asking questions. Tragedy doesn't even begin to explain it. You would then support the guys who say no victim pics. Heck lets move on. No national fund like Westgate and the media even kicking out anyone from their studios who has a contrary opinion ala Ann Kiguta on Citizen. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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Mtafiti wrote:alma wrote:
Corruption killed these young souls and I was part of it by keeping quiet and moving on.
Worrying statistics. The death of one person is Painful. 200 is outrageous. Its more than outrageous. But I do not have a better word to explain the scenario. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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So GSU Recce squad took less than 20 minutes to exterminate these vermins!!!!Why is it that we didn't learn from westgate If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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limanika wrote:Euge wrote:limanika wrote:B.Timer wrote:This Reuters/Yahoo news article leads one to a Comparative analysis on handling of the matter, between Garissa Teachers College/Garissa Univesity College on the one hand, and Kenya Govt/Britain on the other To great extend it boils down to what you do with material info in your possession! Evaluate what Garissa Teachers College did, against What Garissa University College did. Extrapolate the same scenario to The Kenya Government versus Britain in what they did with the info they had! In both situations, while one entity chose to caution, prepare and arm (with info) their subjects, the other acted ineptly and casually with devastating results.Quote:Grace Kai, a student at the Garissa Teachers Training College near the university, said there had been warnings that an attack in the town could be imminent.
"Some strangers had been spotted in Garissa town and were suspected to be terrorists," she told Reuters.
"Then on Monday our college principal told us ... that strangers had been spotted in our college... On Tuesday we were released to go home, and our college closed, but the campus remained in session, and now they have been attacked."
This is what we are saying. Institutions even need to form own intel networks, and share info with others in the neighborhood. Perhaps GUC felt that having some 4No. armed guards was enough deterrent. This reliance on traditional security arrangements is we are saying is not enough. In these far flung towns which are not so populated, it is very easy to spot strangers. Community policing would work perfectly. I feel sorry for the security guards who do searches at the entrance of buildings and wherever. I wonder if they realize the danger they are exposed to. Whoever agrees to be searched is most likely to mean no harm. But one who has come to cause chaos will start by refusing to be searched and blowing up their heads. County governments should do more to protect their own. They should not argue that security is a function of the national government. If they do just what is within their means, they will cover so much mileage that we will not see such senseless loss of lives. God bless Kenya The guards who do security search day-in day out at the entrances, are they even in correct frame of mind if this work is all they do? I think they are only a deterrent for petty crime. Depending on size of institution, A rotational system would work better, where you have guards at the gate and others constantly making rounds in the compound, then interchange teams every so often. invest in CCTV with round the clock monitoring. invest in adequate lighting at night.Set up your systems such that any commotion at gate is picked in millisecond, and all systems activated in the nick of time. Even if some of these measures will not be effective 100%, the aim should be to inhibit / impede/ frustrate effectiveness any possible attack . Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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limanika wrote:Euge wrote:limanika wrote:B.Timer wrote:This Reuters/Yahoo news article leads one to a Comparative analysis on handling of the matter, between Garissa Teachers College/Garissa Univesity College on the one hand, and Kenya Govt/Britain on the other To great extend it boils down to what you do with material info in your possession! Evaluate what Garissa Teachers College did, against What Garissa University College did. Extrapolate the same scenario to The Kenya Government versus Britain in what they did with the info they had! In both situations, while one entity chose to caution, prepare and arm (with info) their subjects, the other acted ineptly and casually with devastating results.Quote:Grace Kai, a student at the Garissa Teachers Training College near the university, said there had been warnings that an attack in the town could be imminent.
"Some strangers had been spotted in Garissa town and were suspected to be terrorists," she told Reuters.
"Then on Monday our college principal told us ... that strangers had been spotted in our college... On Tuesday we were released to go home, and our college closed, but the campus remained in session, and now they have been attacked."
This is what we are saying. Institutions even need to form own intel networks, and share info with others in the neighborhood. Perhaps GUC felt that having some 4No. armed guards was enough deterrent. This reliance on traditional security arrangements is we are saying is not enough. In these far flung towns which are not so populated, it is very easy to spot strangers. Community policing would work perfectly. I feel sorry for the security guards who do searches at the entrance of buildings and wherever. I wonder if they realize the danger they are exposed to. Whoever agrees to be searched is most likely to mean no harm. But one who has come to cause chaos will start by refusing to be searched and blowing up their heads. County governments should do more to protect their own. They should not argue that security is a function of the national government. If they do just what is within their means, they will cover so much mileage that we will not see such senseless loss of lives. God bless Kenya The guards who do security search day-in day out at the entrances, are they even in correct frame of mind if this work is all they do? I think they are only a deterrent for petty crime. Depending on size of institution, A rotational system would work better, where you have guards at the gate and others constantly making rounds in the compound, then interchange teams every so often. invest in CCTV with round the clock monitoring. invest in adequate lighting at night.Set up your systems such that any commotion at gate is picked in millisecond, and all systems activated in the nick of time. Even if some of these measures will not be effective 100%, the aim should be to inhibit / impede/ frustrate effectiveness any possible attack One time I asked a guard at Yaya Center what he would do if he found me carrying a grenade. He told me to leave him alone to do his work. Clearly he had not answer to my question. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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How can we make exposing of terrorists more attractive than harbouring them?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:
Corruption killed these young souls and I was part of it by keeping quiet and moving on.
Don't tell me in addition to the 147 please!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:So GSU Recce squad took less than 20 minutes to exterminate these vermins!!!!Why is it that we didn't learn from westgate They actually blew themselves! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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