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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
VituVingiSana
#1581 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 1:48:42 AM
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[quote=maka][quote=maka]Warren Buffett’s Investing Blind Spot: Airlines - WSJ - http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-MBB-31434

Southwest Airlines’ profitability: How the company uses operations theory to fuel its success. - http://www.slate.com/art..._fuel_its_success_.html

MAS to turn profitable end 2014 under new plan, says commercial chief - The Malaysian Insider - http://www.themalaysiani...n-says-commercial-chief[/quote]

Turning around a struggling airline: An interview with the CEO of Malaysia Airlines | McKinsey & Company - http://www.mckinsey.com/...eo_of_malaysia_airlines[/quote]

Tough year for MAS. They lost 2 planes in 2014. Did they become profitable by Dec 2014?

SWA is not the right comparison. The dynamics are different. Jambojet can be compared to SWA not KQ. Nevertheless, there are lessons to be learnt from SWA and you can see these applied to JJ e.g. 'free seating' and fast(er) turnaround times.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
hisah
#1582 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 12:10:08 PM
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KQ also exhibiting distribution like KK. Still trapped in a bear trend since 2012 and looking poised to break below year low @7.60. Selling pressure is happening prior to FY announcement... Likely to announce another shocking loss.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mulla
#1583 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 12:52:01 PM
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hisah wrote:
KQ also exhibiting distribution like KK. Still trapped in a bear trend since 2012 and looking poised to break below year low @7.60. Selling pressure is happening prior to FY announcement... Likely to announce another shocking loss.


I don't think there is a loss big enough to be shocking anymore with KQ......this is factored in the price and dont think price will test 7/=....but will wait and see what mr.market decides....
hisah
#1584 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 12:57:04 PM
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mulla wrote:
hisah wrote:
KQ also exhibiting distribution like KK. Still trapped in a bear trend since 2012 and looking poised to break below year low @7.60. Selling pressure is happening prior to FY announcement... Likely to announce another shocking loss.


I don't think there is a loss big enough to be shocking anymore with KQ......this is factored in the price and dont think price will test 7/=....but will wait and see what mr.market decides....

It's not a matter of if, but when will KQ break below 7/- handle. My bad habit of chart reading is indicating clearly that the market will break below 7.60 enroute to sub 7/-
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
lochaz-index
#1585 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 4:00:11 PM
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If sub 7/= comes thats xmas for me though this share and kk have exhibited admirable resilience in the wake of record losses. Probably due to some unseen hands doing damage limitation.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
Boris Boyka
#1586 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 5:16:59 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
obiero wrote:
whenever I tell you about inside issues please do not question my information.. oneni sasa..

Yes frofet! Your portfolio looks better nowsmile was worried at 90%+ KQ.

Fear not brother. I have decided to go long haul on KQ. Everyone knows for sure, it will post a loss in its FYR as at 31.03.2015.. I am picking the bottom, since it cant possibly go lower than KES 8 per share

It could not go below 20, then it could not go below 18, then it could not go below 15, 14, 12, 11, 10, 9... and now 8.

Yes. 7.95 > 8.0 smile There was a time @Obiero asked what to do and we told him to SELL around 10.xy can't rem which thread!
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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#1587 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 5:46:20 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
obiero wrote:
whenever I tell you about inside issues please do not question my information.. oneni sasa..

Yes frofet! Your portfolio looks better nowsmile was worried at 90%+ KQ.

Fear not brother. I have decided to go long haul on KQ. Everyone knows for sure, it will post a loss in its FYR as at 31.03.2015.. I am picking the bottom, since it cant possibly go lower than KES 8 per share

It could not go below 20, then it could not go below 18, then it could not go below 15, 14, 12, 11, 10, 9... and now 8.

Yes. 7.95 > 8.0 smile There was a time @Obiero asked what to do and we told him to SELL around 10.xy can't rem which thread!

I sold KQ at KSh 7.80 around 2001/02 and I believe it can even go below that figure again easily. Don't forget it was once at 114/=! No splits have been done.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
premio
#1588 Posted : Thursday, April 02, 2015 6:21:17 PM
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For years my uncle cried over safaricom, he held 985000 shares. His wife vetoed his decision to sell until now at 17 hes buying more. KQ will go up in the long run.
VituVingiSana
#1589 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 12:14:10 AM
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jerry wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
obiero wrote:
whenever I tell you about inside issues please do not question my information.. oneni sasa..

Yes frofet! Your portfolio looks better nowsmile was worried at 90%+ KQ.

Fear not brother. I have decided to go long haul on KQ. Everyone knows for sure, it will post a loss in its FYR as at 31.03.2015.. I am picking the bottom, since it cant possibly go lower than KES 8 per share

It could not go below 20, then it could not go below 18, then it could not go below 15, 14, 12, 11, 10, 9... and now 8.

Yes. 7.95 > 8.0 smile There was a time @Obiero asked what to do and we told him to SELL around 10.xy can't rem which thread!

I sold KQ at KSh 7.80 around 2001/02 and I believe it can even go below that figure again easily. Don't forget it was once at 114/=! No splits have been done.
And you kula-ed interest (or re-invested) from that 7.80 for 14 years!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1590 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2015 12:16:20 AM
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premio wrote:
For years my uncle cried over safaricom, he held 985000 shares. His wife vetoed his decision to sell until now at 17 hes buying more. KQ will go up in the long run.

Different businesses. Your aunt is a smart woman. Ask her what she says about KQ?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#1591 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 2:45:08 PM
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was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
maka
#1592 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 3:02:27 PM
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obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..


Boss I have always told you...it's sad,very sad....and I told you remember Sabena.
possunt quia posse videntur
kryptonite
#1593 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 3:30:47 PM
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obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..


So are you staying put or jettisoning your holding?
The harder you work, the luckier you get
Fomoney
#1594 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 4:04:33 PM
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Boss I have always told you...it's sad,very sad....and I told you remember Sabena.[/quote]

And there was PANAM too! Was biggest international air carrier in the US before collapsing in 1991. Former CEO and the board were incompetent and for that reason, I'm out.Sad
obiero
#1595 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 4:44:00 PM
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kryptonite wrote:
obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..


So are you staying put or jettisoning your holding?

Im not loading up any more until the full year results. Will look at the financials wit a fine eye, then decide..

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#1596 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 5:25:09 PM
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obiero wrote:
kryptonite wrote:
obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..


So are you staying put or jettisoning your holding?

Im not loading up any more until the full year results. Will look at the financials wit a fine eye, then decide..

Join us on the ride to the top with KK. I like you. And i spent many hours over the past 2 years warning you, explaining to you, typing out long e-mails... Anyway, we all have to learn the hard way... I learnt the hard way too.

One more lesson: Cut your losses and run. I sold out at a huge loss between 13-14. No regrets. Those funds were deployed elsewhere and these made me money.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MaichBlack
#1597 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 5:34:11 PM
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Fomoney wrote:
Former CEO and the board were incompetent and for that reason, I'm out.Sad

Stolen from the dragons in "the den"??
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#1598 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 5:45:33 PM
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obiero wrote:
was at the bar yesterday and my long time friends made me understand in detail that KQ is in much troubled waters than anyone really knows. even the ceo doesnt know how bad the situation is..

Monday 6th April 2015.

This will go down in history. The day @Obiero finally gave up on KQ. The biggest proponent of KQ around! The biggest proponent of any share/company around!! The guy who sold KCB and put money in KQ!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#1599 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 6:10:27 PM
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Everybody should go back to post# 1 by @ProverB!!!

I am sure people have forgotten where it all started. He saw the light 5 years ago!! The share was then going for Kshs. 50/= plus!!! Everyone was given a chance to disembark. A very nice breakdown and explanation was given. People ignored even though the title of the thread was "why ignore?". Others promised to buy more!

Hats off @ProverB. You deserve some Legend status. Anyone who listened to you and had a significant holding must have saved millions. They should be looking for you with a brown envelope and a bottle of Johnnie Walker’s Diamond Jubilee whisky!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Gatheuzi
#1600 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 6:19:18 PM
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ProverB wrote:

For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s
Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00

Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100.
= (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6%

Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00
It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders.

Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periodsSad
 For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6%
 For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6%
 For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6%
 For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1%
Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. d'oh!

On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the company is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency.
The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published.

A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.smile

Ceteris paribus.Pray


Posted 8th June 2010. Operaring Margin drop was the main message here.
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