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Tanzanian observations
timbosho
#41 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:34:16 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Mbilikimo wawili wanashindana urefu! wanadhani ili moja wao awe mrefu ni lazima mwingine awe mfupi.


Hata mimi sielewi. Wakenya na Watanzania wanaibiwa na viongozi, wachina, wahindi na wazungu. Wote lazima wapige laini nje ya balozi za nji za kigeni wakitaka visa za kusafiri kwa nchi hizo kama Merikani na nchi za Ulaya. Rasilimali ya nchi yameuziwa wahindi, wachina na wazungu. Wote wanafukuzwa na wamiliki wa mamkuli ambazo waekezaji wa nchi za kigeni hutembelea. Walinzi wa mlango wameambiwa wafrika na mbwa wakae nje ikifika saa kumi na moja jioni. Wote wako na uchumi duni. Lakini wako na wakati wa kurushiana maneno makali kila wakati. Kweli wafrika wako na shida pahali.
limanika
#42 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:59:36 AM
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The chest thumping and bile that has been expressed by some, from both sides means we mortals are fundamentally flawed, and possibly still evolving. Some comments only need be made by those who put in applications to be born in either country. But kudos to those trying to come up with win win situation
kaka2za
#43 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:19:52 PM
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In the abundance of water,
The fool is thirsty.
Rat race, rat race, rat race!
Rat race!
Oh, it's a disgrace
To see the human-race
In a rat race, rat race!
You got the horse race;
You got the dog race;
You got the human-race;
But this is a rat race, rat race!
Truth forever on the scaffold
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#44 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:58:58 PM
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quicksand wrote:
KIKItheKING wrote:
These Bongolalas!! Now they are targetting Kenya in everything they do because we restricted their vans from accessing JKIA. Very sad.

The vans access is just the icing. Tanzania is annoyed with the 'coalition of the willing' business, TZ sees Kenya as responsible for formenting the situation where it is finding itself increasingly isolated. They can't understand what the haste is all about, it is in their nature and I for one I am loathe to blame them. So they have taken this small dispute and ran with it. This is where the small-mindedness now comes in.
Unfortunately, Kenyans are getting too hot and bothered. We shouldn't play tit for tat with them. You don't stay angry at a child, and to be honest, the level of business acumen and speed of execution in the Tanzanians in general is comparable to the maturity of a child.
It is sad that people will lose jobs and business opportunities but it is time to look past Tanzania, seek opportunities elsewhere instead of trying to hang onto an economy ran by stubborn and insular people; besides,there is probably little any one can do, so leave them to their tantrums. It is not the end of the world.
South Sudan anyone? The place went up in flames and Kenyans had to leave in a hurry. The EU and the carbon footprint stuff for flowers and horticulture? The unending travel advisories? 24 years under Moi?
We have survived all that.


I agree with you on this point. We share the longest border with TZ and the brinksmanship we are playing with them is uncalled for.

Kenya can easily accept the shorter end of the stick but still make more from it than TZ due to our productivity of labour.

We just need to be careful to ensure that we are getting increasing returns from the relationship, an example is tourism. Fact, Tz Safari resources are peerless and in fairness other than Mara, we can't compete or we can only offer an inferior alternative, a mutually beneficial solution is to allow their vans to deliver tourists to JKIA so we get airline/transport revenue and they get park fees.

PS. Anybody had an opportunity to assess the personalities of East Africans? I have been involved in training staff from the East African community (for a private sector company) and hear's my assessment of their personalities.

Tanzanians - Competent and very open, they generally lack experience or street smarts and therefore may come across as slow (mostly because well read Tanzanians are very marketable and are therefore rushed through grades). They are surprisingly very well spoken, mostly due to good schooling (most who get employed by multinationals come from well to do families who can afford high quality education)but not confident. They like gadgets and seem to have all the time in the world to understand all functionalities of IT gadgets or even phones.

Ugandans - Competent, confident and very open as well, they are very well spoken. They are smart workers, not hard workers. They party the best and are happy to talk. These people are so proud of their country and culture that they make you feel like an orphan.

Kenyans - Kenyans in a group of East Africans are generally shy, weakest in expressing themselves yet almost always provide solutions to any given problem. They are generally a bit individualistic and very poor at group work. A Kenyan will have a solution but will never volunteer it unless he is directly asked. Kenyans are almost more experienced than their East African counterparts at every level due to internal competition.

Rwandese, Ethiopians - they are way behind this 3 nations

South Sudanese, Burundians - yet to meet any, I think they are still in the stone age.
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kaka2za
#45 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:18:02 PM
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Tanzania is the most resource endowed country in East Africa. Should actually be the economic giant. Kenya's arable land is less than 40% and has fewer game parks but is strong in tourism and vibrant financial markets.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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masukuma
#46 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:00:22 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
quicksand wrote:
KIKItheKING wrote:
These Bongolalas!! Now they are targetting Kenya in everything they do because we restricted their vans from accessing JKIA. Very sad.

The vans access is just the icing. Tanzania is annoyed with the 'coalition of the willing' business, TZ sees Kenya as responsible for formenting the situation where it is finding itself increasingly isolated. They can't understand what the haste is all about, it is in their nature and I for one I am loathe to blame them. So they have taken this small dispute and ran with it. This is where the small-mindedness now comes in.
Unfortunately, Kenyans are getting too hot and bothered. We shouldn't play tit for tat with them. You don't stay angry at a child, and to be honest, the level of business acumen and speed of execution in the Tanzanians in general is comparable to the maturity of a child.
It is sad that people will lose jobs and business opportunities but it is time to look past Tanzania, seek opportunities elsewhere instead of trying to hang onto an economy ran by stubborn and insular people; besides,there is probably little any one can do, so leave them to their tantrums. It is not the end of the world.
South Sudan anyone? The place went up in flames and Kenyans had to leave in a hurry. The EU and the carbon footprint stuff for flowers and horticulture? The unending travel advisories? 24 years under Moi?
We have survived all that.


I agree with you on this point. We share the longest border with TZ and the brinksmanship we are playing with them is uncalled for.

Kenya can easily accept the shorter end of the stick but still make more from it than TZ due to our productivity of labour.

We just need to be careful to ensure that we are getting increasing returns from the relationship, an example is tourism. Fact, Tz Safari resources are peerless and in fairness other than Mara, we can't compete or we can only offer an inferior alternative, a mutually beneficial solution is to allow their vans to deliver tourists to JKIA so we get airline/transport revenue and they get park fees.

PS. Anybody had an opportunity to assess the personalities of East Africans? I have been involved in training staff from the East African community (for a private sector company) and hear's my assessment of their personalities.

Tanzanians - Competent and very open, they generally lack experience or street smarts and therefore may come across as slow (mostly because well read Tanzanians are very marketable and are therefore rushed through grades). They are surprisingly very well spoken, mostly due to good schooling (most who get employed by multinationals come from well to do families who can afford high quality education)but not confident. They like gadgets and seem to have all the time in the world to understand all functionalities of IT gadgets or even phones.

Ugandans - Competent, confident and very open as well, they are very well spoken. They are smart workers, not hard workers. They party the best and are happy to talk. These people are so proud of their country and culture that they make you feel like an orphan.

Kenyans - Kenyans in a group of East Africans are generally shy, weakest in expressing themselves yet almost always provide solutions to any given problem. They are generally a bit individualistic and very poor at group work. A Kenyan will have a solution but will never volunteer it unless he is directly asked. Kenyans are almost more experienced than their East African counterparts at every level due to internal competition.

Rwandese, Ethiopians - they are way behind this 3 nations

South Sudanese, Burundians - yet to meet any, I think they are still in the stone age.

you are right on your assessment of the 3. Kenyans are thinkers but are poor team players and cannot express themselves (guilty as charged) - when someone finds the solution that herd kenyans into a team kindly notify me. We have solutions but sometimes think that they are not worthy solutions. the weakness in expression is party explained by the fact that we think others are better and so we don't bother to float our opinions we also tend to keep our opinion to ourselves perhaps that is a product of the nyayo era. We think other people's education systems were better and what could possibly come out of the Kenyan system? We are fearless online (where we have some sort of cover). Ugandans are just the ones... confident - they speak their ugandan english and know it has an accent but love it none the less. I think Kenyans are a bit self conscious. I have a Tanzanian friend - his english is no where near mine but he does not care! he expresses himself in both writing and speaking in it... shauri yenu. he speaks since he has an opinion and a voice to express that opinion. Kawaida Kenyans sometimes think they are inadequate especially before an international crowd. I spent many days with this guy and his english and he would captivate audiences with his english and did not care as long as his idea was passed across.
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Lolest!
#47 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 5:56:38 PM
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Ugandans - Competent, confident and very open as well, they are very well spoken. They are smart workers, not hard workers. They party the best and are happy to talk. These people are so proud of their country and culture that they make you feel like an orphan.

The friendliest people in EA are the Ssebos. Very happy also & proud of their country

Most Kenyans huko complain that they are lazy and petty thieves
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#48 Posted : Tuesday, March 24, 2015 6:08:38 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
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Ugandans - Competent, confident and very open as well, they are very well spoken. They are smart workers, not hard workers. They party the best and are happy to talk. These people are so proud of their country and culture that they make you feel like an orphan.

The friendliest people in EA are the Ssebos. Very happy also & proud of their country

Most Kenyans huko complain that they are lazy and petty thieves


Ugandans also love spending especially luxury stuff. Very ideal for business.
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harrydre
#49 Posted : Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:23:39 AM
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murchr
#50 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:05:51 AM
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Tanzania on Wednesday confiscated the passports of top Kenyan officials, including Energy Cabinet Secretary Charles Keter, and denied them access to the port of Tanga.

However, a delegation from Uganda, led by Energy minister Irene Muloni was allowed to proceed with the tour unmolested.

The top Kenyan officials had began their journey in Lamu, where they inspected the proposed Lamu port before flying to the port of Tanga in Tanzania.

Tanzanian authorities were reportedly paying back Kenya’s failure to invite them to Lamu, or to the talks held at State House, Nairobi, between presidents Uhuru Kenyatta and Uganda’s Yoweri Museveni on Monday.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...04/-/bnqbk7/-/index.html
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