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tycho
#41 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 9:17:26 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
tycho wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
tycho wrote:
Some of us would rather have clean streets and dehumanized existence.

Theoreticians...

Dehumanized existence??? Visit Rwanda and see the level of their pride of being Rwandese and compare it to the pride exhibited by Kenyans including yourself!!!

Let us not lazily bandy phrases and theories around in an attempt to make a point where none exists!!!


Pride can be misguided.

There you go again with your theories!!!

Have you ever seen a proud person who is living a dehumanized existence? The first casualty of 'dehumanized existence' is pride of being!!!


Of course there are many examples of pride and dehumanization going together. I think you're too eager to defend your position.
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MaichBlack
#42 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 9:24:16 AM
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@tycho - I am always willing to learn. I am a perpetual student. Kindly give me the examples you talk about. And I am not being sarcastic. I learn something new every day. The days I don't learn anything new - no matter how small - feel a bit incomplete. This might be my new thing today.
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mkeiy
#43 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 10:00:55 AM
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Jaina wrote:
If you go to Kigali, you will attest to the fact that there is ORDER!. Rules are followed and systems work.

I would go for that any time over the confused mess, overrated constitutional rights and Generic Chaos that Kenya has slowly turned into.





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mkeiy
#44 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 10:01:40 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
Africa can only prosper with limited freedom and strong smart dictator. Long live Paul Kagame




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MaichBlack
#45 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 10:13:30 AM
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Long live Paul Kagame!!!

Long live Yoweri Museveni!!!

Uhuru Kenyatta (Or/And future Kenyan presidents), make these two your friends.

To hell with 'civil society' (and their western paymasters) bullshit!!!

I vote for a tight ship.
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Muriel
#46 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 10:18:25 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Long live Paul Kagame!!!

Long live Yoweri Museveni!!!

Uhuru Kenyatta (Or/And future Kenyan presidents), make these two your friends.

To hell with 'civil society' (and their western paymasters) bullshit!!!

I vote for a tight ship.



MaichBlack,

I could not help but notice. Are you disgruntled with 'democracy'?
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nakujua
#47 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 10:30:24 AM
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just some quotes to do with the founding father of singapore, that might have some context to Kagame

Quote:

President Barack Obama called Lee a "visionary" and "true giant of history."


Quote:

Lee faced criticism, though, for using tough tactics to consolidate power. He jailed some political rivals without trial for decades and brought defamation lawsuits against journalists and opposition politicians, which had a chilling effect on dissent.
Lee insisted that strict limits on free speech and public protest were necessary to maintain stability in a multiethnic and multi-religious country that witnessed race riots in the 1960s. That stability, he added, was needed to enable growth and raise living standards in a country with few natural resources.
"I had to do some nasty things, locking fellows up without trial," Lee said in an interview with The New York Times published in September 2010. "I'm not saying everything I did was right. But everything I did was for an honorable purpose."
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MaichBlack
#48 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 10:37:00 AM
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Muriel wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Long live Paul Kagame!!!

Long live Yoweri Museveni!!!

Uhuru Kenyatta (Or/And future Kenyan presidents), make these two your friends.

To hell with 'civil society' (and their western paymasters) bullshit!!!

I vote for a tight ship.



MaichBlack,

I could not help but notice. Are you disgruntled with 'democracy'?

No. Not at all. I am tired of all the bullshit in the name of democracy!!! What is our brand of democracy? An Mpig verbally abusing police and demanding the release of some truck? An MPig raping someone's wife? An MPig demanding sexual favours from an employee who happens to be someone's wife and consequently firing her when she refuses? Run away corruption? Private Developers? Five year campaigns? Opposing each other for the sake of opposing? Corruption and blantant wastage of tax payers money by Governors and their over glorified 'mere kanjoras'?

Democracy can be beautiful. Democracy can be ugly. I want democracy in a controlled manner. I want a president who doesn't take bull crap. More like a parent. You give your kids freedom but some things are NOT up for discussion. My daughter can choose if she will have rice or ugali for supper. But she CANNOT decide she will take biscuits and a cold coke!!! That's my brand of democracy. That is evidently what Kenyans need!

Most of the nonsense in 'this my motherland' is done in the name of democracy, freedom, human rights, bla bla bla crap!!!

Somebody rightfully noted that this is more of "demo-crazy" than "democracy".

I would be more at peace with equal rights, opportunities and justice that most of the bullshit we have to live with!
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MaichBlack
#49 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 11:13:39 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
@tycho - I am always willing to learn. I am a perpetual student. Kindly give me the examples you talk about. And I am not being sarcastic. I learn something new every day. The days I don't learn anything new - no matter how small - feel a bit incomplete. This might be my new thing today.

@tycho - I am still waiting...
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tycho
#50 Posted : Monday, March 23, 2015 11:27:45 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
@tycho - I am always willing to learn. I am a perpetual student. Kindly give me the examples you talk about. And I am not being sarcastic. I learn something new every day. The days I don't learn anything new - no matter how small - feel a bit incomplete. This might be my new thing today.

@tycho - I am still waiting...


Hahaha @Maich, is that 'fire' or what?

Cases where dehumanization and pride tend to go together especially in Nation states are:

1. When identifying with the/an aggressor
2. Delusion and paranoia
3. Post traumatic stress disorder
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