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As expected Kibaki missed the 2014 Mo awards!!!!!!!
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#61 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 10:38:15 AM
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kollabo wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
kollabo wrote:
Baks was the 2nd worst president this country has ever had.


Baks is the best president kenya has had out of the four. Leading economist and commentator, Dr. Ndii uses a three-point criteria I.e. corrupt/clean, competent/mediocre and liberal/illiberal.

Kenyatta I was competent,corrupt & illiberal (1/3).
Moi was mediocre, corrupt and illiberal (0/3).
Baks was competent, corrupt & liberal (2/3).
Jubilee has taken after Moi (0/3).

Now let me grab my helmet.


Of the four Baks showed absolute mediocrity.

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Simply the best, we could do better but none of the other 3 is better
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Swenani
#62 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:06:24 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The award should be for African presidents who hand over power peacefully.

Kibaki did hand over power peacefully, he however was just not willing to hand it to a non member.

He however deserves to get the award, he really widened the political space and free speech for Kenya.


Moi also handed over power peacefully to a non missing!

If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Lolest!
#63 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:06:46 AM
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Alba wrote:
I am behind news kidogo. But how the heck was Kibaki ever even considered in contention for anything?

He had a "dont care " attitude, his presidency was rife with corruption, tribal appointments, impunity, poor administration and most importantly, he is the most to blame for PEV 2007. Please let us be honest about this. His refusal to act as a statesman was the main reason PEV 2007 happened. Kenyans are always trying to rewrite history.

Those who can't face the truth will bash me for this. But ukweli lazima usemwe so that Kenya can become a better country. We should start writing accurate history so future generations can learn. Today Kenya is repeating the same mistakes from the 1960s because of our penchant for whitewashing the truth.

I have always held that Kenyans do not know what they want. You get a manager who delegates, you complain. You get another who is so hands on that he is issuing title deeds, you say he is doing clerical jobs

Kibaki minimises the Big Man mentality associated with presidents- we say he doesn't care. Administratively, he gave us working govt not that inefficient makaratasi thing he inherited. Removal of the big man makes govt work unlike what Moi and his twins are giving us where the summit of executive is ever present on your screens

Kefake is the best ever. But I agree on ethnic appointments(his biggest failure) and corruption

PEV? Hiyo ni stori mrefu. Wont put it as one of his failures

Diskleima: Kefake apologist
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#64 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:11:29 AM
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Swenani wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The award should be for African presidents who hand over power peacefully.

Kibaki did hand over power peacefully, he however was just not willing to hand it to a non member.

He however deserves to get the award, he really widened the political space and free speech for Kenya.


Moi also handed over power peacefully to a non missing!


what is non-member?
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Impunity
#65 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:40:54 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The award should be for African presidents who hand over power peacefully.

Kibaki did hand over power peacefully, he however was just not willing to hand it to a non member.

He however deserves to get the award, he really widened the political space and free speech for Kenya.


Moi also handed over power peacefully to a non missing!


what is non-member?


Non nyumba.
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Swenani
#66 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:45:22 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The award should be for African presidents who hand over power peacefully.

Kibaki did hand over power peacefully, he however was just not willing to hand it to a non member.

He however deserves to get the award, he really widened the political space and free speech for Kenya.


Moi also handed over power peacefully to a non missing!


what is non-member?


Non equity account holderssmile smile smile
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Atalaku
#67 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:27:25 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The award should be for African presidents who hand over power peacefully.

Kibaki did hand over power peacefully, he however was just not willing to hand it to a non member.

He however deserves to get the award, he really widened the political space and free speech for Kenya.


Moi also handed over power peacefully to a non missing!


what is non-member?


Non equity account holderssmile smile smile

Asi!
kivairu
#68 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:34:33 PM
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[quote=Alba]I am behind news kidogo. But how the heck was Kibaki ever even considered in contention for anything?

He had a "dont care " attitude, his presidency was rife with corruption, tribal appointments, impunity, poor administration and most importantly, he is the most to blame for PEV 2007. Please let us be honest about this. His refusal to act as a statesman was the main reason PEV 2007 happened. Kenyans are always trying to rewrite history.

Those who can't face the truth will bash me for this. But ukweli lazima usemwe so that Kenya can become a better country. We should start writing accurate history so future generations can learn. Today Kenya is repeating the same mistakes from the 1960s because of our penchant for whitewashing the truth. [/quote

Well stated. From the most optimistic country in the world, kibaki truly succeeded in sending Kenya into PEV, 5 years later. No one will ever smash this record. He holds the Gold for that record.

Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
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#69 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:38:07 PM
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kivairu wrote:
[quote=Alba]I am behind news kidogo. But how the heck was Kibaki ever even considered in contention for anything?

He had a "dont care " attitude, his presidency was rife with corruption, tribal appointments, impunity, poor administration and most importantly, he is the most to blame for PEV 2007. Please let us be honest about this. His refusal to act as a statesman was the main reason PEV 2007 happened. Kenyans are always trying to rewrite history.

Those who can't face the truth will bash me for this. But ukweli lazima usemwe so that Kenya can become a better country. We should start writing accurate history so future generations can learn. Today Kenya is repeating the same mistakes from the 1960s because of our penchant for whitewashing the truth. [/quote

Well stated. From the most optimistic country in the world, kibaki truly succeeded in sending Kenya into PEV, 5 years later. No one will ever smash this record. He holds the Gold for that record.
Shame on you
Shame on you
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kivairu
#70 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:38:08 PM
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KIKItheKING wrote:
washiku wrote:
I found this funny.smile smile

Wahome Thuku
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I may be very wrong on this. But after more than 50 yrs in politics to the highest level, I dont know of any child or children for whom Mwai Kibaki has paid school fees from his pocket. Or any particular public project he has funded from his pocket. Or anything he has done for the common man wih money from his pocket. I say again I may be wrong because I dont live with his family and I dont know where his money goes when it leaves his pocket. But if I"m right, then I can say that God must have found it alittle difficult to put another Ksh450 million in such a pocket.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly A very good point! Ubako was soo mean.


Not mean. Ridiculous. My compliments end there...

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Impunity
#71 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:43:01 PM
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kivairu wrote:
[quote=Alba]I am behind news kidogo. But how the heck was Kibaki ever even considered in contention for anything?

He had a "dont care " attitude, his presidency was rife with corruption, tribal appointments, impunity, poor administration and most importantly, he is the most to blame for PEV 2007. Please let us be honest about this. His refusal to act as a statesman was the main reason PEV 2007 happened. Kenyans are always trying to rewrite history.

Those who can't face the truth will bash me for this. But ukweli lazima usemwe so that Kenya can become a better country. We should start writing accurate history so future generations can learn. Today Kenya is repeating the same mistakes from the 1960s because of our penchant for whitewashing the truth. [/quote

Well stated. From the most optimistic country in the world, kibaki truly succeeded in sending Kenya into PEV, 5 years later. No one will ever smash this record. He holds the Gold for that record.


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#72 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:59:36 PM
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Impunity wrote:
kivairu wrote:
[quote=Alba]I am behind news kidogo. But how the heck was Kibaki ever even considered in contention for anything?

He had a "dont care " attitude, his presidency was rife with corruption, tribal appointments, impunity, poor administration and most importantly, he is the most to blame for PEV 2007. Please let us be honest about this. His refusal to act as a statesman was the main reason PEV 2007 happened. Kenyans are always trying to rewrite history.

Those who can't face the truth will bash me for this. But ukweli lazima usemwe so that Kenya can become a better country. We should start writing accurate history so future generations can learn. Today Kenya is repeating the same mistakes from the 1960s because of our penchant for whitewashing the truth. [/quote

Well stated. From the most optimistic country in the world, kibaki truly succeeded in sending Kenya into PEV, 5 years later. No one will ever smash this record. He holds the Gold for that record.


Applause Applause
Mnajua vizuri sana PEV process was started by some opposition untouchables from around 2005!!

Nani ameona Helmet yangu?!
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Swenani
#73 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:05:41 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Impunity wrote:
kivairu wrote:
[quote=Alba]I am behind news kidogo. But how the heck was Kibaki ever even considered in contention for anything?

He had a "dont care " attitude, his presidency was rife with corruption, tribal appointments, impunity, poor administration and most importantly, he is the most to blame for PEV 2007. Please let us be honest about this. His refusal to act as a statesman was the main reason PEV 2007 happened. Kenyans are always trying to rewrite history.

Those who can't face the truth will bash me for this. But ukweli lazima usemwe so that Kenya can become a better country. We should start writing accurate history so future generations can learn. Today Kenya is repeating the same mistakes from the 1960s because of our penchant for whitewashing the truth. [/quote

Well stated. From the most optimistic country in the world, kibaki truly succeeded in sending Kenya into PEV, 5 years later. No one will ever smash this record. He holds the Gold for that record.


Applause Applause
Mnajua vizuri sana PEV process was started by some opposition untouchables from around 2005!!

Nani ameona Helmet yangu?!


yeah, Raila,UK and WSR
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Lolest!
#74 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:12:02 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Impunity wrote:
kivairu wrote:
[quote=Alba]I am behind news kidogo. But how the heck was Kibaki ever even considered in contention for anything?

He had a "dont care " attitude, his presidency was rife with corruption, tribal appointments, impunity, poor administration and most importantly, he is the most to blame for PEV 2007. Please let us be honest about this. His refusal to act as a statesman was the main reason PEV 2007 happened. Kenyans are always trying to rewrite history.

Those who can't face the truth will bash me for this. But ukweli lazima usemwe so that Kenya can become a better country. We should start writing accurate history so future generations can learn. Today Kenya is repeating the same mistakes from the 1960s because of our penchant for whitewashing the truth. [/quote

Well stated. From the most optimistic country in the world, kibaki truly succeeded in sending Kenya into PEV, 5 years later. No one will ever smash this record. He holds the Gold for that record.


Applause Applause
Mnajua vizuri sana PEV process was started by some opposition untouchables from around 2005!!

Nani ameona Helmet yangu?!


yeah, Raila,UK and WSR

smile
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kivairu
#75 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:17:50 PM
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Impunity wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Alba wrote:
I am behind news kidogo. But how the heck was Kibaki ever even considered in contention for anything?

He had a "dont care " attitude, his presidency was rife with corruption, tribal appointments, impunity, poor administration and most importantly, he is the most to blame for PEV 2007. Please let us be honest about this. His refusal to act as a statesman was the main reason PEV 2007 happened. Kenyans are always trying to rewrite history. Those who can't face the truth will bash me for this. But ukweli lazima usemwe so that we can become a better country.


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“We encountered reports about Kibaki in the media like everyone else, but we did not consider him for the prize. He was not in the shortlist,” said Salim Ahmed Salim, chair of the selection committee.

Salim added that while Kibaki was eligible to be considered for the award since he left office in the last three years, he did not meet the set requirements to qualify for the award.


He was not even shortlisted, waaahhh!!!
d'oh!


Poor man! After 50 years at top of government. If he was not rated/shortlisted. Let's proceed and list , his contemporaries here not listed....

1) Comrade Bob
2)


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Impunity
#76 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:25:30 PM
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Suppose @Kibaki accepted the defeat met on him by @RAO in 2007, go home to Othaya a happy man having ruled Kenya at least ONE full term; then get this 450 million lump sum and some tens of million yearly for the rest of his life!
What a waste.
Now he is retired, he daent know how first the 10 years he ruled ended so fast and WORST of all, he had a blood soaked hands to take to his final resting place.
Sad Sad Sad
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#77 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:42:04 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Suppose @Kibaki accepted the defeat met on him by @RAO in 2007, go home to Othaya a happy man having ruled Kenya at least ONE full term; then get this 450 million lump sum and some tens of million yearly for the rest of his life!
What a waste.
Now he is retired, he daent know how first the 10 years he ruled ended so fast and WORST of all, he had a blood soaked hands to take to his final resting place.
Sad Sad Sad


just because babu keeps whining he won he won doesn't mean he won sh*t! sycophancy kitu mbaya!
i.am.back!!!!
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#78 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:54:32 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Suppose @Kibaki accepted the defeat met on him by @RAO in 2007, go home to Othaya a happy man having ruled Kenya at least ONE full term; then get this 450 million lump sum and some tens of million yearly for the rest of his life!
What a waste.
Now he is retired, he daent know how first the 10 years he ruled ended so fast and WORST of all, he had a blood soaked hands to take to his final resting place.
Sad Sad Sad

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#79 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:55:25 PM
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Impunity wrote:
kivairu wrote:
[quote=Alba]I am behind news kidogo. But how the heck was Kibaki ever even considered in contention for anything?

He had a "dont care " attitude, his presidency was rife with corruption, tribal appointments, impunity, poor administration and most importantly, he is the most to blame for PEV 2007. Please let us be honest about this. His refusal to act as a statesman was the main reason PEV 2007 happened. Kenyans are always trying to rewrite history.

Those who can't face the truth will bash me for this. But ukweli lazima usemwe so that Kenya can become a better country. We should start writing accurate history so future generations can learn. Today Kenya is repeating the same mistakes from the 1960s because of our penchant for whitewashing the truth. [/quote

Well stated. From the most optimistic country in the world, kibaki truly succeeded in sending Kenya into PEV, 5 years later. No one will ever smash this record. He holds the Gold for that record.


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#80 Posted : Thursday, March 05, 2015 12:10:24 AM
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Whether RAO won in 2007 is besides the point. He most likely did but thats not even the point. The real issue is that it was not clear who won. At the very least we can all agree that Kibaki did not win the 2007 elections outright because the results are in contention. Even the most ardent pro-Kibaki sycophant will admit this.

Therefore KIbaki should not have declared himself Prezzi in that midnight swearing in ceremony. It is that ceremony that precipitated PEV 2007. It literally looked like he was stealing the election in the dark of the night. You cannot toy with people's emotions like this and expect peace. Especially not in Kenya where people invest all their emotions on the outcome of an election.

So yes the death of thousands of Kenyans is on Kibaki's hands. The people burned in that Kiambu church are in Kibaki's hands and all those who were displaced and lost their property are on Kibaki's hands.

The statesman thing to do would have been for Kibaki to take a step back, allow an independent investigation preferably by foreign observers to determine the fate of the election. And if a re-run was required it should have been done.

I am certain that had he taken these Statesman like steps no one would have died.

Such a statesman action would have saved the lives of the thousands of Kenyans who died, lost their property, jobs etc. Others who had businesses in places as far flung as Busia and malaba saw their businesses burned to the ground.

To this day many Kenyans do not feel safe living in a part of the country that is not their own and Kibaki can blame himself for that.

This is his legacy. A more bitterly divided Kenya. Thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands of displaced people. Loss of property. etc.

Those are the facts regardless of how you wish to twist them. Again I say, Kenyans should quit trying to whitewash history because we keep repeating the same mistakes.
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