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Why you could soon leave your land for town estates
AlphDoti
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:03:51 PM
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I support this initiative. I think this would be the biggest Jubilee sensible deliverable.

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AlphDoti
#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:09:43 PM
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Land Policy in China
Muriel
#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:20:02 PM
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I was perusing the link you provided, Alphdoti, and I saw something like 'Maputo declaration of 2003'.

That is like 12 years ago.

And certain things are to be enforced from that 12 year old declaration. It took the policy makers 12 years to 'discover' this provision and to 'propose' it.

I am just wondering what that insinuates in the context of implementation.
tom_boy
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:31:47 PM
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As is common with our policy makers, knee jerk proposals and copy pasting to come up with poor proposals lacking in creativity is the norm. This is not China or Japan. Those proposals should be thrown out together with the guys who thought them up.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Njung'e
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:43:38 PM
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Countries with limited land such as Mauritius have practiced the same for many years with very good results.Kenya has no shortage of land by any means.The problem lies in infrastructure.Look at a great part of lower Eastern.Supply this area with adequate water and you will have more than enough food. Water is also not in shortage since we already have seven massive water dams in the region whose sole purpose is to produce electricity.Suppose you did away with hydros and used the water for irrigation?

Second,Kenyans hold land / buroti so dear that they would rather die than give it up.Any attempt to lump them up in villages would be disaster for this or any subsequent government.Jubilee shouldn't touch the proposals therein and here, i agree with Tom-boy.Not unless they want to open up century old Pandora boxes.
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tom_boy
#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:26:29 PM
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I concur with Njunge. So many ways to improve productivity. We have so many small holder tea and coffee farmers. Has tea and coffee farming become unproductive because of the size of farms being used?
When you displace people and create mega farms, who is going to farm these lands? How will that income trickle to the guy who owned 1 acre? This is just another avenue for the rich and able to oppress the poor while using the poor man's land.

If the issue is to increase productivity, there are many ways to do it without displacing people. The government should build infrastructure for farmers to easily market their produce, outlaw importation of certain finished goods like potato crisps, tomato paste etc and insist on local value addition. Provide agricultural officers to go to the field and advice farmers on best practice. Make agricultural inputs affordable. Etc etc. So many things one can do on a ka-quarter and still make enough to live on.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
wal6807
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:51:48 PM
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our urban areas are very badly planned and managed , this proposal looks very good on paper but with our present culture might not work
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Chaka
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:59:41 PM
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This story is a month early,should have been published on 1st April ?
What will people come to do in the town estates i,e how will they be occupied?What happened to the million acre irrigation project(I believe in the Tana Delta)?
Muriel
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:59:58 PM
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Chaka wrote:
This story is a month early,should have been published on 1st April ?
What will people come to do in the town estates i,e how will they be occupied?What happened to the million acre irrigation project(I believe in the Tana Delta)?



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#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:32:35 PM
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We are already effecting this without govt input.

Rural-urban migration has peaked with most educated fellows shunning shags as soon as after KCSE

Mnarudi tu kuzikwa and pressure is high in the towns

Problem is, same guys who don't want to live in ocha/let their kids speak 'shady' mother tongue want some inheritance/a kapuloti in the village. Mainly for status or speculation or some telephone farming.

But then, has far smaller acreage prevented the Githunguri farmer from outshining the rift valley farmers, some who upto this day have enough land to even leave sections fallow for a season?
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bwenyenye
#11 Posted : Thursday, March 05, 2015 12:35:18 PM
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In my mind, this is a sheer waste of time by the 'Ivory Towers/ google elite' This thing was implemented in the western world where the farmers were given shares in the land but what eventually happened was they sold their shares and were left to be perennial renters.
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GGK
#12 Posted : Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:36:22 PM
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Sounds like some policy maker is high on something.
Its utterly useless to go that direction.
You just dont uproot a people from rural homes to towns just like that.
It would take years.
Govt should concentrate on providing incentive and basic infrastructure and a good policy on land tenure and kenyans will do the rest.
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