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Boris Boyka
#131 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:48:54 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
obiero wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks

Kuna mahali umenipoteza.. Ati split, bonus gets money for the firm?? Rights naelewa.. Let me research

More retained earnings...as opposed to giving divindend (special/normal) increase in '00 %

Share split..... No way!!!

A share split may not be so directly but indirectly so be.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Boris Boyka
#132 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:55:53 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks


Now which loss did PanAfrica make?

Reminds me of a discussion we had with some people back last year. They equated a "drop in profit" to a "loss" haya mambo mawili ni kizungu mkuti. It took a while to convince themsmile
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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murchr
#133 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:12:49 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks


Now which loss did PanAfrica make?

Reminds me of a discussion we had with some people back last year. They equated a "drop in profit" to a "loss" haya mambo mawili ni kizungu mkuti. It took a while to convince themsmile


Basic financial education should be mandatory in our schools.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#134 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:14:29 AM
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DEL!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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MaichBlack
#135 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:40:35 AM
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@Boris Boyka - You are agreeing with people who are disagreeing with you. Does that mean you have changed your mind, you were on faxe when you were typing the original post or you were on faxe when you were agreeing???

One more thing. Equating a reduction in profits to a loss? Should anyone even be having such a discussion??
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Boris Boyka
#136 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:03:27 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
@Boris Boyka - You are agreeing with people who are disagreeing with you. Does that mean you have changed your mind, you were on faxe when you were typing the original post or you were on faxe when you were agreeing???

One more thing. Equating a reduction in profits to a loss? Should anyone even be having such a discussion??

@Maich...smile you seem moody today. Anyway. part of the point on share split as not a source of money i agree,but on bonus i showed them how it is a source. Oppossing is much in you that you think disagreement has to be in totality . Discussion we do ata na illeterate shosho's. You are very lucky to be financially educated,knowlegeable and experienced. Meet with all classes of people in kenia and you will find many who lack 1,2 or all the above. read @murchr post. Mark you those were NSE invested and did some business studies back then. Faxe ni jana asubuhi not today
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MaichBlack
#137 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:18:25 AM
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@Boris Boyka - I have interacted with people of all classes and it is the first time I have heard a person equating reduced profitability to a loss.

Even illiterate people use "zinarudisha pesa" when they make zero profit and "Ni hasara" only when the lose money. Never heard anyone say they made a loss because they made 30% less profit.
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Boris Boyka
#138 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:28:15 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
@Boris Boyka - I have interacted with people of all classes and it is the first time I have heard a person equating reduced profitability to a loss.

Even illiterate people use "zinarudisha pesa" when they make zero profit and "Ni hasara" only when the lose money. Never heard anyone say they made a loss because they made 30% less profit.

Are you suggesting that am either lying or i was discussing with things that are not people?
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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MaichBlack
#139 Posted : Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:08:33 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
@Boris Boyka - I have interacted with people of all classes and it is the first time I have heard a person equating reduced profitability to a loss.

Even illiterate people use "zinarudisha pesa" when they make zero profit and "Ni hasara" only when the lose money. Never heard anyone say they made a loss because they made 30% less profit.

Are you suggesting that am either lying or i was discussing with things that are not people?

Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Realtreaty
#140 Posted : Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:32:25 PM
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murchr wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Bonus, share split, Rights issue are ways to borrow money from investors and public. Not all those who get Bonuses rush to sell but intend to retain for a good dividend following year.
That is one reason some firms are low in Dividend but high in Bunuses. Example was Panafric which returned a loss but went ahead to give a bonus of 1 for every two. This is like a split or rights issue as immediately the price will fold into two ex-bonus and not many will sell but hold for another year or keep buying.
These are the monies firms want. Slaughtering cat with many tricks


Now which loss did PanAfrica make?

Reminds me of a discussion we had with some people back last year. They equated a "drop in profit" to a "loss" haya mambo mawili ni kizungu mkuti. It took a while to convince themsmile


Basic financial education should be mandatory in our schools.

On a number line a loss would not necessarily mean a negative sum, but a figure lower than projected outcome.
Make a numberline like you are in Primary 2(Two) and see for yourselves what a loss mean. A projection is a value expected and if not met after various expenses its called a loss. A profit is when you attain the projection or you go ahead of it.
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