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Capital Gains Tax on EQUITIES
Cde Monomotapa
#121 Posted : Wednesday, February 04, 2015 8:58:06 AM
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Well, the scoreboard has spoken and might continue to speak until some more jobs are shed and all those who applied for IB licenses recently find it futile.

Collection/Admin. is the issue. It is just messy. Disputes from the smallest investor to the largest.

More (short/medium) perspective is; commodities down, exports down, tourism down. The NSE has held up the current account with FX for two years straight. Throw this under the bus too and we'll be calling in that IMF SCF real soon.

So, without much ado I say a transaction tax. Accommodate KRA somewhere in the commission on the Buy & Sell. The brokers are used to collecting the other fees already.

To mitigate the rise in costs from the above, then NSE/CMA continue looking into structural inflation - like how they centralized payments at the CBK.

The biggest folly in all this is making estimates on turnover. This is wealth, not income. There are investors who are so underwater that CGT does not even occur to them, unless certain stocks go up by over 300%!

Kwa hayo, buy laggards and battered stocks. That's where regular trading might continue to occur - mitigation. Blue chips will be tricky on fair value.


HaMaina
#122 Posted : Wednesday, February 04, 2015 8:58:07 AM
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mkeiy wrote:
shrewdinvestor wrote:
someone should punch some sense into GOK's head.They should just look at the volumes/activity in December and January and realize how their CGT is wrecking havoc!Investors avoid tax like plague!



The brokers are not helping either, my broker withheld 5% of the sell PROCEEDS, claiming they are not sure of how to calculate the capital gain.

CRAZY!


Pole but next time factor in the 5% as an average purchase cost to your sell price.
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mlennyma
#123 Posted : Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:13:28 AM
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Before investors adjust their minds one brokerage will go under, it will not be business as usual interms of the frequency ot transactions
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hisah
#124 Posted : Friday, February 06, 2015 6:19:46 AM
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Interesting read.

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/6mui8a/-/index.html

Indeed the big 4 has seen vapour volume foreigner inflows post CGT. Vapour volume (fumes) can never sustain a rally. A rally without the big 4 participating is subject to a swift reversal.
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lochaz-index
#125 Posted : Friday, February 06, 2015 6:55:07 AM
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hisah wrote:
Interesting read.

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/6mui8a/-/index.html

Indeed the big 4 has seen vapour volume foreigner inflows post CGT. Vapour volume (fumes) can never sustain a rally. A rally without the big 4 participating is subject to a swift reversal.


That doesnt look good. Interesting to note that equity has had the least reduction of foreign inflows in the aforementioned time period. All the 4 counters also don’t have much headroom fundamentally so it was always going to be an uphill climb. That said a reversal is always welcome a 20% slide would do for me.
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Kihara joni
#126 Posted : Friday, February 06, 2015 4:10:06 PM
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NKT went to try cash in and was handed 50 CGT forms to fill I just gave up too cumbersome
holycow
#127 Posted : Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:10:38 AM
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According to today's Business Daily paper, KRA expects me to file the returns.
streetwise
#128 Posted : Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:30:48 AM
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I think this a case of losing the fight without losing face.

Call is exit strategy
whiteowl
#129 Posted : Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:44:46 AM
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holycow wrote:
According to today's Business Daily paper, KRA expects me to file the returns.

KRA should know the volumes won't be the same once CGT comes into effect so they should throw out those revenue projections. And that notion that equities are only for the rich hence should be taxed to avoid creating inequality. nkt!
Pesa Nane
#130 Posted : Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:59:49 AM
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holycow wrote:
According to today's Business Daily paper, KRA expects me to file the returns.


Quote:

Shifting the responsibility of accounting for the capital gains tax to investors through an amendment of the relevant law means the taxman will have to wait until the next financial year beginning July to bring the new tax measure into force.

It also means brokers are for the time being not required to levy the tax while the investors cannot take up the job because it would be unlawful to do so.


Does this mean that CGT is 'on suspension" for the time being??
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