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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Ngong wrote: C&P “Waitiki should be compensated and we are ready to pay. Let people not lie to Government that we did not know this was his land before we bought it. Let Government come up with a formula to raise the Sh10 billion demanded by Waitiki. Maybe it can raise half and then require all land owners to each pay Sh200,000,” he said. According to Government estimates, 120,000 residents live on the land which was sub-divided and illegally sold to the owners who now hold fake allotment letters and titles. Read more at: http://www.standardmedia...ings-in-mombasa?pageNo=2According to its owner, Evanson Kamau Waitiki, the 930 acre farm was home to over 900 heads of cattle and 300,000 chicken. It gave him a cumulative monthly income of Sh1 million through sale of fresh milk, beef, chicken and fruits which he exported to South Africa, Europe and even Saudi Arabia. Read more at: http://www.standardmedia...ings-in-mombasa?pageNo=1Pay this guy his money or better still let rent be paid to him by the occupiers for sue its his estate! They are just thugs in possession of stolen property. All he wants is 10 b and they are 120 k in number. That's less than 100k each! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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There has been some falsehood about coastal land that has been paddled for far too long sample these: 1. That the coastal people are land poor hence are squatters. The people outside 10 miles of the shores have some of the lowest population density outside northeastern. But they all crave to live within Mwambao strip.the Arabs are the top beneficiaries of the 10 mile Sultan of Zanzibar-colonial govt arrangement since the Miji Kenda had not desire nor business with the sea or the coast as we know it today. 2. The feeling of entitlement to land is a creation of the new agitation politics resulting from Moi,s misrule and grabbing. 3. If Waitiki holds the title to the land then compensation is the right thing at his fair estimation of loss incurred and damages.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Justice is what he requires. He should be paid his money ASAP.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723
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Njung'e wrote:Ngong wrote:@Kusadikika you are misreporting the facts, Mr. Waitiki took a loan plus his savings to purchase the land and as we all agree that was alot of cash then. He occupied the land and was doing very well till the tribal crashes started and the farm was invaded. To say that its the coast people who did that ni owongo. I worked in that area for 12 years and I can tell you for a fact that the so called watu wa bala did it together with some wadigo, it was free for all and the majority occupiers are luo and waluya who disguise themselves as digo. I also would think so but let's say Kusadikika has valid points.Very valid indeed and they touch on some injustice(s) to either or both parties.His points are then lost in his feelings when he invokes the name of a tribe.How many of the current generation of mountaineers were around when Waitiki bought the farm? How many of the same generation have been anywhere near Waitiki's farm? Apologies for the bad feelings elicited by the tribal angle invoked but this is inevitable. In reference to the "gicagis" the displaced persons are of the same tribe as their billionaire neighbours and nowhere is the contempt, disrespect and just plain madharau for poor people greater than in that community by those who have made it towards those who have not. The sentiments expressed by Kiash are not just that he is entitled to what he has worked for but that those who have been dispossessed have no case at all. I know I am treading on thin ice here but hear me out. The same successful hard working members of this community having very justifiably worked hard and saved went ahead and bought land from the British who had displaced other people in other areas and they came with the same mentality that those who are without are lazy and it is their fault and they have no right to claim anything. No one is denying that people who have earned their property should have the right to it but on the flipside to totally deny the cry of whole communities that there has been a problem in allocation is to be blind to the very elements that foster tribal enmity and clashes and revolutions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Kusadikika wrote:Njung'e wrote:Ngong wrote:@Kusadikika you are misreporting the facts, Mr. Waitiki took a loan plus his savings to purchase the land and as we all agree that was alot of cash then. He occupied the land and was doing very well till the tribal crashes started and the farm was invaded. To say that its the coast people who did that ni owongo. I worked in that area for 12 years and I can tell you for a fact that the so called watu wa bala did it together with some wadigo, it was free for all and the majority occupiers are luo and waluya who disguise themselves as digo. I also would think so but let's say Kusadikika has valid points.Very valid indeed and they touch on some injustice(s) to either or both parties.His points are then lost in his feelings when he invokes the name of a tribe.How many of the current generation of mountaineers were around when Waitiki bought the farm? How many of the same generation have been anywhere near Waitiki's farm? Apologies for the bad feelings elicited by the tribal angle invoked but this is inevitable. In reference to the "gicagis" the displaced persons are of the same tribe as their billionaire neighbours and nowhere is the contempt, disrespect and just plain madharau for poor people greater than in that community by those who have made it towards those who have not. The sentiments expressed by Kiash are not just that he is entitled to what he has worked for but that those who have been dispossessed have no case at all. I know I am treading on thin ice here but hear me out. The same successful hard working members of this community having very justifiably worked hard and saved went ahead and bought land from the British who had displaced other people in other areas and they came with the same mentality that those who are without are lazy and it is their fault and they have no right to claim anything. No one is denying that people who have earned their property should have the right to it but on the flipside to totally deny the cry of whole communities that there has been a problem in allocation is to be blind to the very elements that foster tribal enmity and clashes and revolutions. You still dont get it...What's your opinion of Nairobi and the Masai? Ps keep it short "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723
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murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Njung'e wrote:Ngong wrote:@Kusadikika you are misreporting the facts, Mr. Waitiki took a loan plus his savings to purchase the land and as we all agree that was alot of cash then. He occupied the land and was doing very well till the tribal crashes started and the farm was invaded. To say that its the coast people who did that ni owongo. I worked in that area for 12 years and I can tell you for a fact that the so called watu wa bala did it together with some wadigo, it was free for all and the majority occupiers are luo and waluya who disguise themselves as digo. I also would think so but let's say Kusadikika has valid points.Very valid indeed and they touch on some injustice(s) to either or both parties.His points are then lost in his feelings when he invokes the name of a tribe.How many of the current generation of mountaineers were around when Waitiki bought the farm? How many of the same generation have been anywhere near Waitiki's farm? Apologies for the bad feelings elicited by the tribal angle invoked but this is inevitable. In reference to the "gicagis" the displaced persons are of the same tribe as their billionaire neighbours and nowhere is the contempt, disrespect and just plain madharau for poor people greater than in that community by those who have made it towards those who have not. The sentiments expressed by Kiash are not just that he is entitled to what he has worked for but that those who have been dispossessed have no case at all. I know I am treading on thin ice here but hear me out. The same successful hard working members of this community having very justifiably worked hard and saved went ahead and bought land from the British who had displaced other people in other areas and they came with the same mentality that those who are without are lazy and it is their fault and they have no right to claim anything. No one is denying that people who have earned their property should have the right to it but on the flipside to totally deny the cry of whole communities that there has been a problem in allocation is to be blind to the very elements that foster tribal enmity and clashes and revolutions. You still dont get it...What's your opinion of Nairobi and the Masai? Ps keep it short If there is a group of displaced Maasai squatters, they deserve to be heard. It is this mentality that there is no problem, that I have a problem with.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Kusadikika wrote:murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Njung'e wrote:Ngong wrote:@Kusadikika you are misreporting the facts, Mr. Waitiki took a loan plus his savings to purchase the land and as we all agree that was alot of cash then. He occupied the land and was doing very well till the tribal crashes started and the farm was invaded. To say that its the coast people who did that ni owongo. I worked in that area for 12 years and I can tell you for a fact that the so called watu wa bala did it together with some wadigo, it was free for all and the majority occupiers are luo and waluya who disguise themselves as digo. I also would think so but let's say Kusadikika has valid points.Very valid indeed and they touch on some injustice(s) to either or both parties.His points are then lost in his feelings when he invokes the name of a tribe.How many of the current generation of mountaineers were around when Waitiki bought the farm? How many of the same generation have been anywhere near Waitiki's farm? Apologies for the bad feelings elicited by the tribal angle invoked but this is inevitable. In reference to the "gicagis" the displaced persons are of the same tribe as their billionaire neighbours and nowhere is the contempt, disrespect and just plain madharau for poor people greater than in that community by those who have made it towards those who have not. The sentiments expressed by Kiash are not just that he is entitled to what he has worked for but that those who have been dispossessed have no case at all. I know I am treading on thin ice here but hear me out. The same successful hard working members of this community having very justifiably worked hard and saved went ahead and bought land from the British who had displaced other people in other areas and they came with the same mentality that those who are without are lazy and it is their fault and they have no right to claim anything. No one is denying that people who have earned their property should have the right to it but on the flipside to totally deny the cry of whole communities that there has been a problem in allocation is to be blind to the very elements that foster tribal enmity and clashes and revolutions. You still dont get it...What's your opinion of Nairobi and the Masai? Ps keep it short If there is a group of displaced Maasai squatters, they deserve to be heard. It is this mentality that there is no problem, that I have a problem with. Truth is those people on Waitikis land were not displaced from anywhere, infact, they displaced him. Those who were displaced in the coast live along the 10mile radius. Perhaps you need to educate yourself on land history at the coast and ignore the political noise. The land that was taken from the locals is still so much idle "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Kusadikika wrote:murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Njung'e wrote:Ngong wrote:@Kusadikika you are misreporting the facts, Mr. Waitiki took a loan plus his savings to purchase the land and as we all agree that was alot of cash then. He occupied the land and was doing very well till the tribal crashes started and the farm was invaded. To say that its the coast people who did that ni owongo. I worked in that area for 12 years and I can tell you for a fact that the so called watu wa bala did it together with some wadigo, it was free for all and the majority occupiers are luo and waluya who disguise themselves as digo. I also would think so but let's say Kusadikika has valid points.Very valid indeed and they touch on some injustice(s) to either or both parties.His points are then lost in his feelings when he invokes the name of a tribe.How many of the current generation of mountaineers were around when Waitiki bought the farm? How many of the same generation have been anywhere near Waitiki's farm? Apologies for the bad feelings elicited by the tribal angle invoked but this is inevitable. In reference to the "gicagis" the displaced persons are of the same tribe as their billionaire neighbours and nowhere is the contempt, disrespect and just plain madharau for poor people greater than in that community by those who have made it towards those who have not. The sentiments expressed by Kiash are not just that he is entitled to what he has worked for but that those who have been dispossessed have no case at all. I know I am treading on thin ice here but hear me out. The same successful hard working members of this community having very justifiably worked hard and saved went ahead and bought land from the British who had displaced other people in other areas and they came with the same mentality that those who are without are lazy and it is their fault and they have no right to claim anything. No one is denying that people who have earned their property should have the right to it but on the flipside to totally deny the cry of whole communities that there has been a problem in allocation is to be blind to the very elements that foster tribal enmity and clashes and revolutions. You still dont get it...What's your opinion of Nairobi and the Masai? Ps keep it short If there is a group of displaced Maasai squatters, they deserve to be heard. It is this mentality that there is no problem, that I have a problem with. Rept "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Njung'e wrote:Ngong wrote:@Kusadikika you are misreporting the facts, Mr. Waitiki took a loan plus his savings to purchase the land and as we all agree that was alot of cash then. He occupied the land and was doing very well till the tribal crashes started and the farm was invaded. To say that its the coast people who did that ni owongo. I worked in that area for 12 years and I can tell you for a fact that the so called watu wa bala did it together with some wadigo, it was free for all and the majority occupiers are luo and waluya who disguise themselves as digo. I also would think so but let's say Kusadikika has valid points.Very valid indeed and they touch on some injustice(s) to either or both parties.His points are then lost in his feelings when he invokes the name of a tribe.How many of the current generation of mountaineers were around when Waitiki bought the farm? How many of the same generation have been anywhere near Waitiki's farm? Apologies for the bad feelings elicited by the tribal angle invoked but this is inevitable. In reference to the "gicagis" the displaced persons are of the same tribe as their billionaire neighbours and nowhere is the contempt, disrespect and just plain madharau for poor people greater than in that community by those who have made it towards those who have not. The sentiments expressed by Kiash are not just that he is entitled to what he has worked for but that those who have been dispossessed have no case at all. I know I am treading on thin ice here but hear me out. The same successful hard working members of this community having very justifiably worked hard and saved went ahead and bought land from the British who had displaced other people in other areas and they came with the same mentality that those who are without are lazy and it is their fault and they have no right to claim anything. No one is denying that people who have earned their property should have the right to it but on the flipside to totally deny the cry of whole communities that there has been a problem in allocation is to be blind to the very elements that foster tribal enmity and clashes and revolutions. You still dont get it...What's your opinion of Nairobi and the Masai? Ps keep it short If there is a group of displaced Maasai squatters, they deserve to be heard. It is this mentality that there is no problem, that I have a problem with. Rept @kusadikika,Then maybe even the Waiyaki clan that owned kangemi, uthiru and also land that is present day lavington and westlands upto Nairobi river in ngara before being displaced by the white man should have their land back. Also the people of gachie should take runda, nyari kitusuru, springvalley and muthaiga since it is their ancestral land. The people of dagoreti and waithaka should also take back Karen. Then the maasai should take over all the lands to the south including the cbd since it was their grazing land. We should all plan to move out of Nairobi and give the land back to the displaced owners.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723
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jaggernaut wrote:murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Njung'e wrote:Ngong wrote:@Kusadikika you are misreporting the facts, Mr. Waitiki took a loan plus his savings to purchase the land and as we all agree that was alot of cash then. He occupied the land and was doing very well till the tribal crashes started and the farm was invaded. To say that its the coast people who did that ni owongo. I worked in that area for 12 years and I can tell you for a fact that the so called watu wa bala did it together with some wadigo, it was free for all and the majority occupiers are luo and waluya who disguise themselves as digo. I also would think so but let's say Kusadikika has valid points.Very valid indeed and they touch on some injustice(s) to either or both parties.His points are then lost in his feelings when he invokes the name of a tribe.How many of the current generation of mountaineers were around when Waitiki bought the farm? How many of the same generation have been anywhere near Waitiki's farm? Apologies for the bad feelings elicited by the tribal angle invoked but this is inevitable. In reference to the "gicagis" the displaced persons are of the same tribe as their billionaire neighbours and nowhere is the contempt, disrespect and just plain madharau for poor people greater than in that community by those who have made it towards those who have not. The sentiments expressed by Kiash are not just that he is entitled to what he has worked for but that those who have been dispossessed have no case at all. I know I am treading on thin ice here but hear me out. The same successful hard working members of this community having very justifiably worked hard and saved went ahead and bought land from the British who had displaced other people in other areas and they came with the same mentality that those who are without are lazy and it is their fault and they have no right to claim anything. No one is denying that people who have earned their property should have the right to it but on the flipside to totally deny the cry of whole communities that there has been a problem in allocation is to be blind to the very elements that foster tribal enmity and clashes and revolutions. You still dont get it...What's your opinion of Nairobi and the Masai? Ps keep it short If there is a group of displaced Maasai squatters, they deserve to be heard. It is this mentality that there is no problem, that I have a problem with. Rept @kusadikika,Then maybe even the Waiyaki clan that owned kangemi, uthiru and also land that is present day lavington and westlands upto Nairobi river in ngara before being displaced by the white man should have their land back. Also the people of gachie should take runda, nyari kitusuru, springvalley and muthaiga since it is their ancestral land. The people of dagoreti and waithaka should also take back Karen. Then the maasai should take over all the lands to the south including the cbd since it was their grazing land. We should all plan to move out of Nairobi and give the land back to the displaced owners. I am glad you raise the point and also that you frame it the way you do. Your argument is at the extreme end of one solution in which we acknowledge that there were people who were displaced and that they do have a right to some form of retribution. Then the question will arise what about us, the current owners who have bought the land and developed it into what it is today. We have rights too and you would be right. Now @jagger here is where it becomes kizungumkuti, the current state of affairs where the name on the title deed is all that matters and all other people can go to hell represents the opposite extreme of your solution above. It is as unacceptable to all the disenfranchised people as it would be for you to have your hard earned plot taken from you. The solution lies somewhere in the middle. Those who have cannot just throw their hands at those who don't have and tell them to just work harder.
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