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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Impunity wrote:timizo wrote:Even worse is that the jubilee government continue to lie to kenyans that the geothermal was their project and take credit for that. Of course all the planning including the starting of construction was done under the Kibaki administration. On another note, because we have not travelled and seen how others are doing, we tend to think we are the best in africa. May be for the same reason, we have very low expectations from our leaders You are WRONG also. This was done during the nusu mkate gaament involving @RAO and @Kibaki as principals!  History 101: The Olkaria I Power Station first started operation in 1981 running one Mitsubishi turbine with a generation capacity of 15MW. In 1982 and 1985, two more turbines identical to the first were commissioned at the facility, bringing the total generation capacity to 45MW "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,335 Location: Masada
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murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:timizo wrote:Even worse is that the jubilee government continue to lie to kenyans that the geothermal was their project and take credit for that. Of course all the planning including the starting of construction was done under the Kibaki administration. On another note, because we have not travelled and seen how others are doing, we tend to think we are the best in africa. May be for the same reason, we have very low expectations from our leaders You are WRONG also. This was done during the nusu mkate gaament involving @RAO and @Kibaki as principals! History 101: The Olkaria I Power Station first started operation in 1981 running one Mitsubishi turbine with a generation capacity of 15MW. In 1982 and 1985, two more turbines identical to the first were commissioned at the facility, bringing the total generation capacity to 45MW Those were really meager production...compare to today's 140MW in one plant alone...we've come from far!  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Impunity wrote:Is it true now that geothermal power sources in Kenya has surpassed the Hydro Electric sources?
who has these figures?
They say our installed capacity is now 1,900 MW.
What is the %age contribution per each?
Geothermal = ? Olkaria I,II,III = 209MW, IV = 280MW. Menengai 60MW expected 400MW; Eburru 2.5MW
HEP = ? 743 MW.
Thermal/Fossil = ?
wind = ? 5.1 MW
Solar = ?
Others = ? BIOGAS has a huge potential if our sewage system was well utilized BIOMASS Mumias = 35MW sells 26MW to KPLC
Meanwhile Argentina with the same population has installed capacity of 24,000 MW and a population of 40 million just like us. Hydro is still King, but Geothermal will displace it by far "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/24/2013 Posts: 185 Location: Diaspora
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There is a direct correlation between the electricity production of a country and it's level of development. We here in Kenya are still a struggling African economy and we can only produce 1900MW! We rank very low
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Kudos to the Jubilee government for seeing this through AND SECURING THE PROJECT FUNDING.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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kiterunner wrote:limanika wrote:@imp, Argentina experiences winter, and peak demand for household/user determines the load and ultimately the required generation capacity. @ Maji the % was 15% last time I checked, but even then, whereas over 50% in Argentina require electricity to heat their houses mainly, over 50% in kenya just need electricity for lighting at night, something we could do with solar. I don't think we need 5000mw right now unless for export urongo mbloo, load shedding saa yote, diesel generators, we need power!!!! if 15% kenyans have access to power today with 1900MW, how much will it take to have 100% coverage? you still think 5000mw is excess? come on the 1900MW is not spread uniformly across the 15%, some facilities consumer over 1mw, while some rural home would only need to light 2 or 3 bulbs for 3-4 hours in the evening. Did you know that even the 15% do not have capacity to fully consume the 1900mw hence we'll be exporting to Rwanda? Plus did you know most Kengen power plants are 'throttled' to produce less than 50% of installed capacity in small hours every day coz there's no enough demand? What we need is to add capacity in tandem with growth, not to generate 5000mw tomorrow
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Impunity wrote:mawinder wrote:I dont understand this!!!!!! Wacha tucheke kwanze.  Ever heardof the saying "...the pot calling the kettle black..."? This is very funny. I had heard it before but had never 'seen' it saying it until today. This photo brought it out very well.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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limanika wrote:kiterunner wrote:limanika wrote:@imp, Argentina experiences winter, and peak demand for household/user determines the load and ultimately the required generation capacity. @ Maji the % was 15% last time I checked, but even then, whereas over 50% in Argentina require electricity to heat their houses mainly, over 50% in kenya just need electricity for lighting at night, something we could do with solar. I don't think we need 5000mw right now unless for export urongo mbloo, load shedding saa yote, diesel generators, we need power!!!! if 15% kenyans have access to power today with 1900MW, how much will it take to have 100% coverage? you still think 5000mw is excess? come on the 1900MW is not spread uniformly across the 15%, some facilities consumer over 1mw, while some rural home would only need to light 2 or 3 bulbs for 3-4 hours in the evening. Did you know that even the 15% do not have capacity to fully consume the 1900mw hence we'll be exporting to Rwanda? Plus did you know most Kengen power plants are 'throttled' to produce less than 50% of installed capacity in small hours every Fay coz there's nodemand? What we need is to add capacity in tandem with growth, not to generate 5000mw tomorrow As more jobs and opportunities move to the counties i expect more rural homes to light up those 2 or 3 bulbs and if Kenya attracts more manufacturing plants/companies, that 5000MW will be a drop in the ocean. I have a quick question, why would Kenya import power from Uganda and Ethiopia if there's "No demand"? And isn't demand created? Lets think about the future "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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murchr wrote:limanika wrote:kiterunner wrote:limanika wrote:@imp, Argentina experiences winter, and peak demand for household/user determines the load and ultimately the required generation capacity. @ Maji the % was 15% last time I checked, but even then, whereas over 50% in Argentina require electricity to heat their houses mainly, over 50% in kenya just need electricity for lighting at night, something we could do with solar. I don't think we need 5000mw right now unless for export urongo mbloo, load shedding saa yote, diesel generators, we need power!!!! if 15% kenyans have access to power today with 1900MW, how much will it take to have 100% coverage? you still think 5000mw is excess? come on the 1900MW is not spread uniformly across the 15%, some facilities consumer over 1mw, while some rural home would only need to light 2 or 3 bulbs for 3-4 hours in the evening. Did you know that even the 15% do not have capacity to fully consume the 1900mw hence we'll be exporting to Rwanda? Plus did you know most Kengen power plants are 'throttled' to produce less than 50% of installed capacity in small hours every Fay coz there's nodemand? What we need is to add capacity in tandem with growth, not to generate 5000mw tomorrow As more jobs and opportunities move to the counties i expect more rural homes to light up those 2 or 3 bulbs and if Kenya attracts more manufacturing plants/companies, that 5000MW will be a drop in the ocean. I have a quick question, why would Kenya import power from Uganda and Ethiopia if there's "No demand"? And isn't demand created? Lets think about the future If at best we would project our economic growth rate to be 5-10% over the next 10 years, would we really need to increase power capacity to 250% suddenly by tomorrow? What we need is strike a proper balance, for instance increase by 50-100MW every year if that’s what our growth demands. Then as we do this, we could focus on creating industries, reduce cost of business, improve security, etc so that we can attract more investors and thereby create the actual demand. If growth rate increases down the line, we increase our investment in power to match. If we were to borrow money and build plants to give us 5000MW which we don’t have capacity to consume in the next 20 years, and can’t export in perpetuity since most of the EAC countries in the region are focussing on power and doing the same thing, how are we going to repay the loans? AND..For world bank to fund current EAC power projects, we have to justify where the demand will come from…that’s partly why there are all these projects to interconnect grids between the various countries….otherwise even world bank would not agree to fund
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:murchr wrote:limanika wrote:kiterunner wrote:limanika wrote:@imp, Argentina experiences winter, and peak demand for household/user determines the load and ultimately the required generation capacity. @ Maji the % was 15% last time I checked, but even then, whereas over 50% in Argentina require electricity to heat their houses mainly, over 50% in kenya just need electricity for lighting at night, something we could do with solar. I don't think we need 5000mw right now unless for export urongo mbloo, load shedding saa yote, diesel generators, we need power!!!! if 15% kenyans have access to power today with 1900MW, how much will it take to have 100% coverage? you still think 5000mw is excess? come on the 1900MW is not spread uniformly across the 15%, some facilities consumer over 1mw, while some rural home would only need to light 2 or 3 bulbs for 3-4 hours in the evening. Did you know that even the 15% do not have capacity to fully consume the 1900mw hence we'll be exporting to Rwanda? Plus did you know most Kengen power plants are 'throttled' to produce less than 50% of installed capacity in small hours every Fay coz there's nodemand? What we need is to add capacity in tandem with growth, not to generate 5000mw tomorrow As more jobs and opportunities move to the counties i expect more rural homes to light up those 2 or 3 bulbs and if Kenya attracts more manufacturing plants/companies, that 5000MW will be a drop in the ocean. I have a quick question, why would Kenya import power from Uganda and Ethiopia if there's "No demand"? And isn't demand created? Lets think about the future If at best we would project our economic growth rate to be 5-10% over the next 10 years, would we really need to increase power capacity to 250% suddenly by tomorrow? What we need is strike a proper balance, for instance increase by 50-100MW every year if that’s what our growth demands. Then as we do this, we could focus on creating industries, reduce cost of business, improve security, etc so that we can attract more investors and thereby create the actual demand. If growth rate increases down the line, we increase our investment in power to match. If we were to borrow money and build plants to give us 5000MW which we don’t have capacity to consume in the next 20 years, and can’t export in perpetuity since most of the EAC countries in the region are focussing on power and doing the same thing, how are we going to repay the loans? AND..For world bank to fund current EAC power projects, we have to justify where the demand will come from…that’s partly why there are all these projects to interconnect grids between the various countries….otherwise even world bank would not agree to fund Please educate me on how much of the current power we consume is generated from diesel powered generators which I figure are more expensive than hydro or geothermal. Even if you were right, where is the harm in exporting to Rwanda and Uganda? I cringe to think that someone in 2014 AD thinks 5000MW is excess for a country in darkness our goals are best achieved indirectly
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