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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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MaichBlack wrote:Tokyo wrote:The best solution to form 1 admission challenges is improving private secondary schools to top performers. Rich parents will have more options instead of complaining. Kindly reads posts #96 and #106. This manenos of kids in private schools have "rich parents" is a lie repeated so much the people peddling it must have believed it by now!People should stop saying things they don't know. Talk to subordinate staff at your work place, mama mboga, your house help etc. and you will be surprised a good number of them have kids in some sort of private schools. It might not be the Riaras, Makini, Hillcrest and Msingi Boras of this world but a private school all the same - owned and operated by an individual. And they have not taken the kids there just for the sake or because they have heard people take kids to private schools. They have very good reasons. I once had a discussion with one who was really struggling to pay fees and advised them to shift their kids to public schools. They explained to me their reasons and I realised that if I was in their shoes I would do exactly what they were doing!! It does not matter if you pay 3k or 200k per term, as far as the government is concerned, your kid is in a private school. It doesn't matter matter if the school is Karen or it is those informal schools in Mathare Valley, your kid is in a private school! I know numerous private schools that are way cheaper than akina Nairobi Primary and St. George's which happen to be public primary schools!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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MaichBlack wrote:Tokyo wrote:The best solution to form 1 admission challenges is improving private secondary schools to top performers. Rich parents will have more options instead of complaining. Kindly reads posts #96 and #106. This manenos of kids in private schools have "rich parents" is a lie repeated so much the people peddling it must have believed it by now! People should stop saying things they don't know. Talk to subordinate staff at your work place, mama mboga, your house help etc. and you will be surprised a good number of them have kids in some sort of private schools. It might not be the Riaras, Makini, Hillcrest and Msingi Boras of this world but a private school all the same - owned and operated by an individual. And they have not taken the kids there just for the sake or because they have heard people take kids to private schools. They have very good reasons. I once had a discussion with one who was really struggling to pay fees and advised them to shift their kids to public schools. They explained to me their reasons and I realised that if I was in their shoes I would do exactly what they were doing!! It does not matter if you pay 3k or 200k per term, as far as the government is concerned, your kid is in a private school. It doesn't matter matter if the school is Karen or it is those informal schools in Mathare Valley, your kid is in a private school! You have put it better than I could ever have. There is a mindset that private schools are for the rich. All the private schools run by churches and NGOs in slums and remote areas e.g in Mararal are private because they are simply not public. Surprisingly, school fees for some top private secondary sch matches what is charged by public schools Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Torio wrote:nakujua wrote:Take the current scenario where around 5000 kids scored more than 400.
on average each national school has a capacity of around 250, on the higher side, so to absorb all those kids we need roughly 20 national schools.
now the problem comes about when the selection lists kick in, and most kids are concentrated around 10-15 prestigious national schools - I mean the kids who score more than 400, are confident that they can get admission to the said schools.
the above scenario can easily lead to situation where you have 1000 + kids with more than 400 marks missing out on their preferred schools. I do not think affirmative action or dumb selection of schools is the cause for this mess. Kids from marginalized areas have been getting a boost for well over 25 yrs, and complaints have been negligible. And reasonable people generally agree that it is good policy. I know because I missed a chance to join Alliance many years ago. Nor is the mess due to poor selection of schools: many parents know how to hedge their odds, and for top performing students at least, headmasters and other more experienced teachers provide advice. Besides, there hasn't ever been this level of disenchantment. What we have here is a situation where a kid who scores less gets admitted to a more selective school than the one with higher scores - where both are from the VERY SAME primary school. It doesn't seem to be an socioeconomic equalizer sort-of-policy as it is also happening in rural public schools where everyone is struggling. I have no idea how the system was devised, but I think that if there is indeed a criteria, the ministry ought to disclose it. Otherwise we are left with a bizarre system where kids sit exams whose results may or may not be a factor in determining where they head afterwards. the criteria is usually with the headmaster of the primary school, I think all headmaster get a circular for the same, and they are supposed to brief parents on the same. as I mentioned before I am just laying out the current scenario, and as I have stated there exists a huge possibility of kids with higher marks missing out on their preferred school using the current admission system. more and more kids are scoring higher marks, and the competition for a select number of prestigious schools increases, add the fact that kids get to select their preferred schools and scenarios like the one you have mentioned are bound to happen. now should we do away with kids selecting preferred schools or should we force kids into schools they did not choose
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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McReggae wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Tokyo wrote:The best solution to form 1 admission challenges is improving private secondary schools to top performers. Rich parents will have more options instead of complaining. Kindly reads posts #96 and #106. This manenos of kids in private schools have "rich parents" is a lie repeated so much the people peddling it must have believed it by now!People should stop saying things they don't know. Talk to subordinate staff at your work place, mama mboga, your house help etc. and you will be surprised a good number of them have kids in some sort of private schools. It might not be the Riaras, Makini, Hillcrest and Msingi Boras of this world but a private school all the same - owned and operated by an individual. And they have not taken the kids there just for the sake or because they have heard people take kids to private schools. They have very good reasons. I once had a discussion with one who was really struggling to pay fees and advised them to shift their kids to public schools. They explained to me their reasons and I realised that if I was in their shoes I would do exactly what they were doing!! It does not matter if you pay 3k or 200k per term, as far as the government is concerned, your kid is in a private school. It doesn't matter matter if the school is Karen or it is those informal schools in Mathare Valley, your kid is in a private school! I know numerous private schools that are way cheaper than akina Nairobi Primary and St. George's which happen to be public primary schools!!! I watched Masese on Citizen TV and he has this kind of mind. He had to be reminded that there are private schools in Kibera. I think he only knows Makini Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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I am wondering; the curriculum is the same and all the teachers are from KU ,,,,, (OK, I know from local universities).
I would look at other things e.g. co-curricular activities, spirituality etc. Some, a few, private secondary schools are good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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kaka2za wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Tokyo wrote:The best solution to form 1 admission challenges is improving private secondary schools to top performers. Rich parents will have more options instead of complaining. Kindly reads posts #96 and #106. This manenos of kids in private schools have "rich parents" is a lie repeated so much the people peddling it must have believed it by now! People should stop saying things they don't know. Talk to subordinate staff at your work place, mama mboga, your house help etc. and you will be surprised a good number of them have kids in some sort of private schools. It might not be the Riaras, Makini, Hillcrest and Msingi Boras of this world but a private school all the same - owned and operated by an individual. And they have not taken the kids there just for the sake or because they have heard people take kids to private schools. They have very good reasons. I once had a discussion with one who was really struggling to pay fees and advised them to shift their kids to public schools. They explained to me their reasons and I realised that if I was in their shoes I would do exactly what they were doing!! It does not matter if you pay 3k or 200k per term, as far as the government is concerned, your kid is in a private school. It doesn't matter matter if the school is Karen or it is those informal schools in Mathare Valley, your kid is in a private school! You have put it better than I could ever have. There is a mindset that private schools are for the rich. All the private schools run by churches and NGOs in slums and remote areas e.g in Mararal are private because they are simply not public. Surprisingly, school fees for some top private secondary sch matches what is charged by public schools Private schools are given chances in national schools, and the ratio is roughly 80:20 - and I assume this is got from the representation where private schools contributed about 14% of the total candidature in the last years exams.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:
I am wondering; the curriculum is the same and all the teachers are from KU ,,,,, (OK, I know from local universities).
I would look at other things e.g. co-curricular activities, spirituality etc. Some, a few, private secondary schools are good.
 its weird that co-curricular activities are not factored in the final results, I think it would be fair if there was a way to factor that in. but all the fiasco is happening because of our continual acceptance and encouraging the clear discrimination of kids based on a single exam, and our insistence on segregating them, and for a long time it has been satisfactory for most of us who have a voice in the society, since our kids did not have much competition from the others and the plates at the table were fitting in well. but we are growing and we have failed to ensure that the resources (prestigious national schools) grow at the same rate and we now have a scenario where our plates can not fit at the main table and our attempt at increasing the tables has been pathetic at best, since the other are worn out, broken and the serving available is not as palatable as that on the high table. demand has outstripped supply and now we are fighting it out and the war is brutal.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Just checked my O-Level school's intake:
TOTAL selected = 196
From Private schools = 105
From public schools = 91
Top marks selected = 413
Lowest mark selected = 336
Mean marks = 370
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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For my A-Level school [a national school]:
Total intake = 278
From private schools = 61
From public schools = 217
Top marks = 439
Lowest marks = 364
Mean marks = 398
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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chiaroscuro wrote:Just checked my O-Level school's intake:
TOTAL selected = 196
From Private schools = 105
From public schools = 91
Top marks selected = 413
Lowest mark selected = 336
Mean marks = 370
I have looked at majority of schools at the Ministry'swebsite, and the intake from private schools isnt unfair as is being made to be. If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2011 Posts: 1,740 Location: Nairobi
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Here people are talking about statics instead of talking about individual kids. What if Obama, Uh, etc were denied admission because they were ABC. Would they be the leaders you now admire
No one should be denied an opportunity...lets create more space.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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streetwise wrote:Here people are talking about statics instead of talking about individual kids. What if Obama, Uh, etc were denied admission because they were ABC. Would they be the leaders you now admire
No one should be denied an opportunity...lets create more space.
Gov policy is based on overall statistics, not individual pupils. Parents policy is based on individual pupils - their children.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Wazuans are business-minded people. Why hasn't anyone seen the business opportunity in secondary education?
We have many private primary schools, and many private universities & colleges. There is a miss-match in the middle!
Are there strategic barriers?
There appears to be a large untapped market....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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From the MoE website.....there IS a system....
Form One Intake Process
The Form One Intake entails the admission into either National, County or District Day Schools depending on the Candidate's School Choices captured during the year the candidate sat for KCPE. National Schools distribute both based on candidature and affirmative action thus enabling the each district to get a candidate selected to a National School. The National School Quota is used to select candidates per Gender and Merit List per District. Cut-Off to each National School is automatically determined based on the last Candidate to be Selected to a given National Schools from a Given District in a County. Couty Schools are Selected on a 40% (National): 40% (to Districts within County and Inclusive Home District of the School): 20% (for Home/Host District of the School). Not all County Schools Can attract National Quota and may be allocated quotas to only Districts within host County. Plans for District Selection are under-way expected to be pilotted in 2014 In-take.
Selection Procedure
The Computerised selection follows the following steps: 1) Selection of Top 1 and 2, for both Gender (boys and girls) to their national school choices if an allocation has been provided for their District. In absence, the computer assign such performing candidates schools of equivalent stature to their choices; 2) Selection of Other National Schools Quota based on Candidates ratio from Public and Private; 3) System gives advantage to Counties inclusive of host County in filling vacancies which may arrise during the selection (such as in ability of certail Districts to produce candidates with more or equal to 280 marks); 4) Selection of Extra-County Schools which have same features as National Schools with variance being the number of candidates to be picked being more within the host Counties of the schools; 5) County Schools purely selects students within a County, all boarding schools fall under this category; 6) District Selection: still done manually due to challenges of mapping primary schools or communities to promixity of secondary day schools.
Outcome of Selection
It is expected that the selection results shall be accessed Online on this portal by the public and the successful candidates. For unsuccessful cases, they can also get feedback on their application based on the Quotas already computed soon to be shared and shown on this portal.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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nakujua wrote:Muriel wrote:
I am wondering; the curriculum is the same and all the teachers are from KU ,,,,, (OK, I know from local universities).
I would look at other things e.g. co-curricular activities, spirituality etc. Some, a few, private secondary schools are good.
its weird that co-curricular activities are not factored in the final results, I think it would be fair if there was a way to factor that in. but all the fiasco is happening because of our continual acceptance and encouraging the clear discrimination of kids based on a single exam, and our insistence on segregating them, and for a long time it has been satisfactory for most of us who have a voice in the society, since our kids did not have much competition from the others and the plates at the table were fitting in well. but we are growing and we have failed to ensure that the resources (prestigious national schools) grow at the same rate and we now have a scenario where our plates can not fit at the main table and our attempt at increasing the tables has been pathetic at best, since the other are worn out, broken and the serving available is not as palatable as that on the high table. demand has outstripped supply and now we are fighting it out and the war is brutal. chiaroscuro wrote:Wazuans are business-minded people. Why hasn't anyone seen the business opportunity in secondary education?
We have many private primary schools, and many private universities & colleges. There is a miss-match in the middle!
Are there strategic barriers?
There appears to be a large untapped market.... Yes. This is an untapped market. If private secondary schools up their game they might turn tables on public secondary schools. For example, if they could ensure that their graduands actually do something with their lives. Getting teenagers of that age to stop bumming around in the estate is difficult, I agree, but if a proprietor can make, and show that his graduands actually can 'do' something besides applying and waiting to go to university, word will surely get around by mouth about that school and that will be the beginning of another story.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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chiaroscuro wrote:streetwise wrote:Here people are talking about statics instead of talking about individual kids. What if Obama, Uh, etc were denied admission because they were ABC. Would they be the leaders you now admire
No one should be denied an opportunity...lets create more space.
Gov policy is based on overall statistics, not individual pupils. Parents policy is based on individual pupils - their children. Twitter has created a lazy media, they do not care to do leg work this days.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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If the ministry is turning a deaf ear, why can't some MP or senator draft a bill to create some policy guidelines on this matter and that of ranking? Why were they elected? Even committee on education is still mum?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,910
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limanika wrote:If the ministry is turning a deaf ear, why can't some MP or senator draft a bill to create some policy guidelines on this matter and that of ranking? Why were they elected? Even committee on education is still mum? Jubilee is asleep tyranny plus government In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,473
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limanika wrote:If the ministry is turning a deaf ear, why can't some MP or senator draft a bill to create some policy guidelines on this matter and that of ranking? Why were they elected? Even committee on education is still mum? There is an MP who has said he will draft one. I did not get his name though. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,910
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MaichBlack wrote:limanika wrote:If the ministry is turning a deaf ear, why can't some MP or senator draft a bill to create some policy guidelines on this matter and that of ranking? Why were they elected? Even committee on education is still mum? There is an MP who has said he will draft one. I did not get his name though. Keep watching & waiting. Let us compare notes next year. Nothing would have changed. This is Kenya . In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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