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Terrorists attack Paris
Robinhood
#31 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:44:18 AM
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All terrorists are Muslims - discuss
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
XSK
#32 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:45:16 AM
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quicksand wrote:
Airport security is now tighter than before.
So are shipping ports.
Banks are under a microscope, it is no longer easy for terrorists to move money using numbered accounts as it was before, the same applies to heavy ordnance and the nefarious material they use to make bombs. Its why terrorists are using street level assault weapons to commit these acts.
What Kenya (and the world) now needs is a brand new way of mopping up small arms and ammunition from the street, from the public, and ensuring there is no fresh supply.
Then build a wall from the lowermost Indian Lamu ocean end, to the far end upto Mandera; militarized border bases every 100 kilometers each with patrol and assault helicopters, bases too on the UG border side, with aggressive patrolling,..I hear Ethiopian troops first shoot border trespassers then consider questions afterwards, kushikwa Ethiopia bila papers is no joke, utaona cha mtema kuni. Start stringing people from trees for corruption in the immigration department, harsh prison sentences, no sacred cows so that no one will fathom selling a kenyan passport or id card to a terrorist for money or a sleazy drug dealer from Congo.
Hata kama itakula half our GDP, I would really love to see a 5 year plan of something like this.
We make it impossible for terrorists to arrive as freely as they have been doing in the past, from resupplying, slipping in and out at will, then we eliminate the ones within our borders systematically.
No genius. No long winded intelligence thingamajiggery, just very straightforward policy, procedural and legal steps. Al Capone, for all his conniving and wily ways, was brought down by tax legislation.


I AGREE this would work!

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You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
MKWASI
#33 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 8:02:19 AM
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Indeed terrorism is global.

I support wholeheartedly the current Kenya security laws that are currently in our Courts for determination. There are no two ways about it, you cannot fight terrorism when talking about human rights. Human rights have limits. I'm ready to cede some human rights for me to be safe.

Muriel
#34 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 8:09:36 AM
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ecstacy wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
kollabo wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
[quote=ecstacy]11 people have just been killed and 10 injured in shooting at the Paris offices of the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. The attackers were shouting Islamist slogans. 2 of the attackers reportedly escaped and are being sought.

This paper was already the target of a firebombing in 2011 after publishing cartoons deriding Prophet Mohammad on its cover, police spokesman said.

Five of the injured were in a critical condition, said the spokesman.

Separately, the French government has said it has raised France's national security level to the highest notch.

Ref - http://www.reuters.com/a...g-idUSKBN0KG0Y120150107[/quote]

Death toll rises to 12. The 2 attackers still at large.



Smart phone footage online that captured part of todays attack - http://www.geenstijl.nl/...ers_parijs_schiete.html

I look forward to the Islamic leadership swiftly condemning this attack in clear terms.


Imams maybe, but Guru, Hassan Omar and MohajichoPevu....fat chance!


#ParisBurns and #RevengeForTheProphet are among the hashtags used by admirers of todays shooting..


Unfortunately, #KillAllMuslims is also trending in France.



An ooops! moment.

The one we saw being shot was a Muslim.

Are ooops! moments allowed in jihad, Alphdoti?
Kratos
#35 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 8:41:51 AM
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The French had anticipated that there was rising terrorist attacks and had in fact enacted new laws which were also unpopular as they seemed to limit freedom of expression and other civil liberties.

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On 18 September 2014, the near empty French National Assembly adopted the “law strengthening the provision relating to the fight against terrorism”. In an atmosphere marked by “apocalyptic” anxiety and speeches on the terrorist threat, particularly within the Internet, minister Bernard Cazeneuve and rapporteur Sébastien Pietrasanta wore down all opposition, blocking any further reflection on the serious breaches of the rule of law that are brought on by this bill


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The bill, as our friends at La Quadrature du Net frame it, “institutes a permanent state of emergency on the Internet,” providing for harsher penalties for incitement or “glorification” of terrorism conducted online. Furthermore, the bill (in Article 9) allows for “the possibility for the administrative authority to require Internet service providers to block access to sites inciting or apologizing for terrorism” without distinguishing criteria or an authority to conduct the blocking.


France adopts anti-terror law eroding civil liberties

France debates tough new anti-terror bill: what do the experts think?

Cleansing the Internet of Terrorism: EU-Funded Project Seeks To Erode Civil Liberties


Some of the earlier laws adopted after Sep 11 include

•Terrorist suspects can be held in police custody before being charged for four days rather than two as is the norm.
•Under article 145-2 CCP, a suspect may be held in pre-trial detention after having been charged for up to four years in terrorist cases. Usually suspects can be held for up to two or three years without trial depending on the seriousness of the offence.
• Whereas in ordinary circumstances searches in storage spaces of houses can only be conducted from 6 am, in the context of terrorism night-time searches are permitted (arts 59, 706-90 and 706-91 CCP).
• Right to search cars without judicial warrant (article 78-2-2 CCP) and to obtain subject to warrant by an investigating magistrate access to private telephone calls (art. 706-95 CCP).

All in all fighting terrorism is a grey area to many even in the developed world

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Muriel
#36 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 8:45:17 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Avenging THE prophet.

The prophet who they worship...

I promise from now on not to comment on 'the last prophet'



There was a time Masukuma - I think - was against people 'hiding' in the internet - that people should reveal their true identities.

If you feel you could be exposed that is the right step to take.

ION if Allah was mocked could revenge be taken as revenge is taken when Mohammed is mocked?

Is not Allah and Mohammed then at par?
guru267
#37 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:33:44 AM
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Muriel wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
kollabo wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
[quote=ecstacy]11 people have just been killed and 10 injured in shooting at the Paris offices of the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. The attackers were shouting Islamist slogans. 2 of the attackers reportedly escaped and are being sought.

This paper was already the target of a firebombing in 2011 after publishing cartoons deriding Prophet Mohammad on its cover, police spokesman said.

Five of the injured were in a critical condition, said the spokesman.

Separately, the French government has said it has raised France's national security level to the highest notch.

Ref - http://www.reuters.com/a...g-idUSKBN0KG0Y120150107[/quote]

Death toll rises to 12. The 2 attackers still at large.



Smart phone footage online that captured part of todays attack - http://www.geenstijl.nl/...ers_parijs_schiete.html

I look forward to the Islamic leadership swiftly condemning this attack in clear terms.


Imams maybe, but Guru, Hassan Omar and MohajichoPevu....fat chance!


#ParisBurns and #RevengeForTheProphet are among the hashtags used by admirers of todays shooting..


Unfortunately, #KillAllMuslims is also trending in France.



An ooops! moment.

The one we saw being shot was a Muslim.

Are ooops! moments allowed in jihad, Alphdoti?


Just because someone has a Muslim name hardly makes them Muslim!

If he was protecting these kind of fellows then he chose apostasy Sad
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
kollabo
#38 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:57:14 AM
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Kratos wrote:
The French had anticipated that there was rising terrorist attacks and had in fact enacted new laws which were also unpopular as they seemed to limit freedom of expression and other civil liberties.

Quote:
On 18 September 2014, the near empty French National Assembly adopted the “law strengthening the provision relating to the fight against terrorism”. In an atmosphere marked by “apocalyptic” anxiety and speeches on the terrorist threat, particularly within the Internet, minister Bernard Cazeneuve and rapporteur Sébastien Pietrasanta wore down all opposition, blocking any further reflection on the serious breaches of the rule of law that are brought on by this bill


Quote:
The bill, as our friends at La Quadrature du Net frame it, “institutes a permanent state of emergency on the Internet,” providing for harsher penalties for incitement or “glorification” of terrorism conducted online. Furthermore, the bill (in Article 9) allows for “the possibility for the administrative authority to require Internet service providers to block access to sites inciting or apologizing for terrorism” without distinguishing criteria or an authority to conduct the blocking.


France adopts anti-terror law eroding civil liberties

France debates tough new anti-terror bill: what do the experts think?

Cleansing the Internet of Terrorism: EU-Funded Project Seeks To Erode Civil Liberties


Some of the earlier laws adopted after Sep 11 include

•Terrorist suspects can be held in police custody before being charged for four days rather than two as is the norm.
•Under article 145-2 CCP, a suspect may be held in pre-trial detention after having been charged for up to four years in terrorist cases. Usually suspects can be held for up to two or three years without trial depending on the seriousness of the offence.
• Whereas in ordinary circumstances searches in storage spaces of houses can only be conducted from 6 am, in the context of terrorism night-time searches are permitted (arts 59, 706-90 and 706-91 CCP).
• Right to search cars without judicial warrant (article 78-2-2 CCP) and to obtain subject to warrant by an investigating magistrate access to private telephone calls (art. 706-95 CCP).

All in all fighting terrorism is a grey area to many even in the developed world


Well put @Kratos. France was one of the countries that cautioned Kenya on passing the Security bill.

AlphDoti
#39 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:57:39 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Condolence to the family of those killed. Killing of innocent lives should be condemned with the highest voice! May Allah protect all of us from such harm, ameen!

Unfortunately, the same Allah was also invoked before shooting innocents. Watch the video.

Even if anybody shouts Allah Akbar and shoots at innocent people, that does not make him a Muslim.

The same way somebody holds a Bible and says "praise Jesus" and cheat people with potassium permanganate to make fake blood, that does not make him a Christian.

The same way those Johns, Peters, Matthews, Davids we see robbing, stealing, hijacking, killing are not called Christians just by their names.

To be fair, anybody killing anyone who is innocent, are enemies of Islam who disguise themselves as Muslims after years of training, to deface Islam and Muslims. So, don't call them Muslims. They are criminals.
AlphDoti
#40 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:59:20 AM
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alma wrote:
It's very sexy to blame muslims in such situations, isn't it?

But think about it. Apparently these guys killed people because they were not happy about what they published.

It reminds me of some people who will do anything to muzzle freedom of expression and the freedom of the press.

Recently I remember some guys lying straight faced that terror attack victims are not published in international media. That's why Kenyan media must be shut up.

When you think about it. It's one and the same thing.

If these killers were in gov't, they would have used laws instead.

About those victim pictures that are never published, does anyone want to apologise to Kenyans for lying?

One more thing

Please note that the French Government has not used this horrific event to change laws on the rights of people. Neither has anyone called for the army to be deployed in every bar in the country.

Bloggers and forum posters are not calling for Jicho Pevu to be crucified either.

Instead the country understands that there are evil men who will do anything to promote evil.

Things to consider and learn from.




@alma, very sober post Applause
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