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Alba wrote:@Mwariama
The disadvantages of PEDs outweigh the benefits. I posted this list from the Mayo clinic before. Let me post again lest people forget
Anabolic steroids come with serious physical side effects as well.
Men may develop:
Prominent breasts
Baldness
Shrunken testicles
Infertility
Impotence
Women may develop:
A deeper voice
An enlarged clitoris
Increased body hair
Baldness
Infrequent or absent periods
Both men and women might experience:
Severe acne
Increased risk of tendinitis and tendon rupture
Liver abnormalities and tumors
Increased low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (the "bad" cholesterol)
Decreased high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol (the "good" cholesterol)
High blood pressure (hypertension)
Heart and circulatory problems
Prostate gland enlargement
Aggressive behaviors, rage or violence
Psychiatric disorders, such as depression
Drug dependence
Infections or diseases such as HIV or hepatitis if you're injecting the drugs
Inhibited growth and development, and risk of future health problems in teenagers
What this means is that if doping becomes legal then if you are a responsible parent, you should absolutely forbid your children from participating in sports even at school level did you copy and paste this list from the internet?  i see the use of the word may, what if i told you most if not all of these sides can be checked?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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@Kizee
I said in my post above that I got the info on side effects from the Mayo clinic website. If you are not familiar with Mayo clinic, it is one of the best hospitals and research institutes on the planet.
The part in blue is common sense. A few years back I watched a documentary featuring a high school baseball player who committed suicide. He took steroids often. A side effect of this particular steroid was depression and suicidal thoughts. One day his parent went to his room and found him dead from suicide. His parents were on TV crying saying they wish they paid closer attention.
And you are dead wrong. Side effects cannot always be checked because most often, doctors do not even know the exact side effect of a new steroid until it occurs.
I posted the example of the Algeria coach who gave his players PEDs. Do you think this coach knew the players would have handicapped children?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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Alba wrote:@Kizee
I said in my post above that I got the info on side effects from the Mayo clinic website. If you are not familiar with Mayo clinic, it is one of the best hospitals and research institutes on the planet.
The part in blue is common sense. A few years back I watched a documentary featuring a high school baseball player who committed suicide. He took steroids often. A side effect of this particular steroid was depression and suicidal thoughts. One day his parent went to his room and found him dead from suicide. His parents were on TV crying saying they wish they paid closer attention.
And you are dead wrong. Side effects cannot always be checked because most often, doctors do not even know the exact side effect of a new steroid until it occurs.
I posted the example of the Algeria coach who gave his players PEDs. Do you think this coach knew the players would have handicapped children?
talk to the hand
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Alba wrote:@Kizee
I said in my post above that I got the info on side effects from the Mayo clinic website. If you are not familiar with Mayo clinic, it is one of the best hospitals and research institutes on the planet.
The part in blue is common sense. A few years back I watched a documentary featuring a high school baseball player who committed suicide. He took steroids often. A side effect of this particular steroid was depression and suicidal thoughts. One day his parent went to his room and found him dead from suicide. His parents were on TV crying saying they wish they paid closer attention.
And you are dead wrong. Side effects cannot always be checked because most often, doctors do not even know the exact side effect of a new steroid until it occurs.
I posted the example of the Algeria coach who gave his players PEDs. Do you think this coach knew the players would have handicapped children?
suicidal teens appear everywhere from those taking drugs, to those not taking drugs but pressured by society to perform at a particular level. if you only quote extremes from one side the you blur the other side. lakini my take, if the ped's are not deemed illegal by the justice system wacha watu wajibambe
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nakujua wrote:Alba wrote:@Kizee
I said in my post above that I got the info on side effects from the Mayo clinic website. If you are not familiar with Mayo clinic, it is one of the best hospitals and research institutes on the planet.
The part in blue is common sense. A few years back I watched a documentary featuring a high school baseball player who committed suicide. He took steroids often. A side effect of this particular steroid was depression and suicidal thoughts. One day his parent went to his room and found him dead from suicide. His parents were on TV crying saying they wish they paid closer attention.
And you are dead wrong. Side effects cannot always be checked because most often, doctors do not even know the exact side effect of a new steroid until it occurs.
I posted the example of the Algeria coach who gave his players PEDs. Do you think this coach knew the players would have handicapped children?
suicidal teens appear everywhere from those taking drugs, to those not taking drugs but pressured by society to perform at a particular level. if you only quote extremes from one side the you blur the other side. lakini my take, if the ped's are not deemed illegal by the justice system wacha watu wajibambe Can viagra be considered a PED If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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kizee1 wrote:
talk to the hand
This is what happens when a person's argument is beaten into the ground
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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nakujua wrote:
suicidal teens appear everywhere from those taking drugs, to those not taking drugs but pressured by society to perform at a particular level.
if you only quote extremes from one side the you blur the other side.
lakini my take, if the ped's are not deemed illegal by the justice system wacha watu wajibambe
Thats like saying crime exists everywhere so the police should not fight crime in Kenya. Better yet why do Kenyans complain about corruption and impunity? Don't corrupt politicians exist in all countries. According to Nakujua's logic, we should do nothing about it. Secondly, many PEDs are illegal. And even for those that are not illegal, their use without prescription or for illicit use is illegal. See the pharmacy and poisons act And your argument about "watu wajibambe" is rather illogical. Knowing all the bad side effects of PEDs, what kind of society would allow its youth to indulge? This is like saying, though we know overspeeding can kill, let young drivers go out and have fun driving their cars at 140 km/h in dense neighbourhoods. Nakujua says let the youth wajibambe even if they kill themselves or worse yet kill others.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Alba wrote:nakujua wrote:
suicidal teens appear everywhere from those taking drugs, to those not taking drugs but pressured by society to perform at a particular level.
if you only quote extremes from one side the you blur the other side.
lakini my take, if the ped's are not deemed illegal by the justice system wacha watu wajibambe
Thats like saying crime exists everywhere so the police should not fight crime in Kenya. Better yet why do Kenyans complain about corruption and impunity? Don't corrupt politicians exist in all countries. According to Nakujua's logic, we should do nothing about it. Secondly, many PEDs are illegal. And even for those that are not illegal, their use without prescription or for illicit use is illegal. See the pharmacy and poisons act And your argument about "watu wajibambe" is rather illogical. Knowing all the bad side effects of PEDs, what kind of society would allow its youth to indulge? This is like saying, though we know overspeeding can kill, let young drivers go out and have fun driving their cars at 140 km/h in dense neighbourhoods. Nakujua says let the youth wajibambe even if they kill themselves or worse yet kill others. You have to understand that not all ped's are illegal - your penchant (hapo google amesaidia) for extremes is evident  police, crime, corruption, the poisons act, over-speeding, dense neighborhoods, killing ?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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nakujua wrote:Alba wrote:nakujua wrote:
suicidal teens appear everywhere from those taking drugs, to those not taking drugs but pressured by society to perform at a particular level.
if you only quote extremes from one side the you blur the other side.
lakini my take, if the ped's are not deemed illegal by the justice system wacha watu wajibambe
Thats like saying crime exists everywhere so the police should not fight crime in Kenya. Better yet why do Kenyans complain about corruption and impunity? Don't corrupt politicians exist in all countries. According to Nakujua's logic, we should do nothing about it. Secondly, many PEDs are illegal. And even for those that are not illegal, their use without prescription or for illicit use is illegal. See the pharmacy and poisons act And your argument about "watu wajibambe" is rather illogical. Knowing all the bad side effects of PEDs, what kind of society would allow its youth to indulge? This is like saying, though we know overspeeding can kill, let young drivers go out and have fun driving their cars at 140 km/h in dense neighbourhoods. Nakujua says let the youth wajibambe even if they kill themselves or worse yet kill others. You have to understand that not all ped's are illegal - your penchant (hapo google amesaidia) for extremes is evident police, crime, corruption, the poisons act, over-speeding, dense neighborhoods, killing ? this is why i stopped arguing with the dude, overuse of Google
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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nakujua wrote:You have to understand that not all ped's are illegal - your penchant (hapo google amesaidia) for extremes is evident police, crime, corruption, the poisons act, over-speeding, dense neighborhoods, killing ? As I have said many times, drug use is not the problem. Drug abuse is the problem. Some PEDs have legitimate medical uses but they need to be prescribed, supervised and in some cases administered only by Doctors. Without medical supervision, PEDs are bad. And what Rita Jeptoo did amounts to drug abuse. In most countries including Kenya, use of controlled substances without medical supervision is illegal. Are you just ignorant about the effects of drug abuse or reckless? Aside from that, whether something is illegal or not is hardly the important issue. The real issue is what effects the drug abuse will have on the youth. I have already shown you examples of how PED abuse causes problems. If PED use is allowed, some coaches will force players to use them even at school level. Go back and read the story about how Algeria players ended up with mentally handicapped children. Then come back and tell us whether you still think drug abuse should be allowed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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kizee1 wrote:
this is why i stopped arguing with the dude, overuse of Google
Just admit that you gave up because I smashed all your ideas with the sledge-hammer of facts
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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Alba wrote:kizee1 wrote:
this is why i stopped arguing with the dude, overuse of Google
Just admit that you gave up because I smashed all your ideas with the sledge-hammer of facts lol @ facts you quote three "highly" reliable sources and claim these are facts,the best being Tyler Hooton's( you didnt even do enough research to know the teens names) death being linked to steroids! You keep interchanging your ideas ie as regards PEDs as a whole and steroids as a subcategory as evidenced by the sides you listed which are all sides of steroids, I would be surprised if you can name(without googling) substances other than steroids and maybe EPO that constitute the body of substances known as PEDs In that regard I have no more time to argue you with you on a subject you clearly have a very basic understanding about
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Alba wrote:kizee1 wrote:
this is why i stopped arguing with the dude, overuse of Google
Just admit that you gave up because I smashed all your ideas with the sledge-hammer of facts In 2015, I want to borrow your hammer.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Muriel wrote:Alba wrote:kizee1 wrote:
this is why i stopped arguing with the dude, overuse of Google
Just admit that you gave up because I smashed all your ideas with the sledge-hammer of facts In 2015, I want to borrow your hammer. You already have a hammer,ask Jua cali and Flexi Quote:Song: Nyundo
Sijui niseme...
Chorus (Flexx)
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Verse 1 (Flexx)
sijui jo nianze kusema vipi
wacha tu niseme uko fiti
kwanza vile umesimama mtoto
unafanya nashikwa na joto
kwanza nikicheki hiyo kifua
naskia karibu kujiua
lips zako soft zinasema
nyundo yangu lazima itasema
Chorus (Flexx)
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Verse 2 (Flexx)
hizo teke zako zanikwachu
unafanya beste atupe mbachu
hiyo mwili yako ikisonga kidogo
nyundo yangu inaruka kidogo
come ubonge nayo inazusha
lakini chunga inaeza rusha
cheza nalo nine inch yote sista
natupa bure ukam mara sita
mara sita
sijui niseme, sijui niseme
(Jua Cali)
hapa job kuna nyundo moja itadunga wapi
na msumari ni moja itaingia wapi
tulia nipe msumeno nigware vifiti
na ikiezekana nikutengenezee hiyo kiti
lakini kabati yako ni kubwa sana
ilalishe hivi iipige randa
na sandpaper ni kitu ya maana kusugua kitanda
ya mtu mmoja staki wall unit
ni nzito kusongesha
wee niandalie tu juu ya meza (metres ngapi)
tutaipima na tape measure
nifupishe
nirefushe
alafu nikate
rangi rangi ile ya blue niipake
lakini bado mpaka saa hii nashindwa nipake upande gani
usiwe na wasi wasi
wee ni mteja wangu 'taimaliza leo leo
ndio utajua kwa nini
siku hizi inaitwa
nyundo wa komeo
Chorus (Flexx)
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Verse 3
sijui jo nianze kusema vipi
wacha tu niseme uko fiti
kwanza vile umesimama mtoto
unafanya nashikwa na joto
kwanza nikicheki hiyo kifua
naskia karibu kujiua
lips zako soft zinasema
nyundo yangu lazima itasema
Chorus (Flexx)
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:Alba wrote:kizee1 wrote:
this is why i stopped arguing with the dude, overuse of Google
Just admit that you gave up because I smashed all your ideas with the sledge-hammer of facts In 2015, I want to borrow your hammer. You already have a hammer,ask Jua cali and Flexi Quote:Song: Nyundo
Sijui niseme...
Chorus (Flexx)
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Verse 1 (Flexx)
sijui jo nianze kusema vipi
wacha tu niseme uko fiti
kwanza vile umesimama mtoto
unafanya nashikwa na joto
kwanza nikicheki hiyo kifua
naskia karibu kujiua
lips zako soft zinasema
nyundo yangu lazima itasema
Chorus (Flexx)
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Verse 2 (Flexx)
hizo teke zako zanikwachu
unafanya beste atupe mbachu
hiyo mwili yako ikisonga kidogo
nyundo yangu inaruka kidogo
come ubonge nayo inazusha
lakini chunga inaeza rusha
cheza nalo nine inch yote sista
natupa bure ukam mara sita
mara sita
sijui niseme, sijui niseme
(Jua Cali)
hapa job kuna nyundo moja itadunga wapi
na msumari ni moja itaingia wapi
tulia nipe msumeno nigware vifiti
na ikiezekana nikutengenezee hiyo kiti
lakini kabati yako ni kubwa sana
ilalishe hivi iipige randa
na sandpaper ni kitu ya maana kusugua kitanda
ya mtu mmoja staki wall unit
ni nzito kusongesha
wee niandalie tu juu ya meza (metres ngapi)
tutaipima na tape measure
nifupishe
nirefushe
alafu nikate
rangi rangi ile ya blue niipake
lakini bado mpaka saa hii nashindwa nipake upande gani
usiwe na wasi wasi
wee ni mteja wangu 'taimaliza leo leo
ndio utajua kwa nini
siku hizi inaitwa
nyundo wa komeo
Chorus (Flexx)
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Verse 3
sijui jo nianze kusema vipi
wacha tu niseme uko fiti
kwanza vile umesimama mtoto
unafanya nashikwa na joto
kwanza nikicheki hiyo kifua
naskia karibu kujiua
lips zako soft zinasema
nyundo yangu lazima itasema
Chorus (Flexx)
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo
Nashindwa jo nizame wapi
nyundo yangu sasa itauwa wapi
usiwache endelea cheza nalo
mpaka iseme jina zote unazo How can I use this their hammer to clobber say Alma?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Sasa wewe brother Swenani,,,,
How do you go to Alma with this? Hm?
Alma husoma vitu kama hivyo?
I want shock-and-awe sledge-hammers. Sio hiyo. Akisoma tu hivi, bas, anakwisha.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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kizee1 wrote:Alba wrote:kizee1 wrote:
this is why i stopped arguing with the dude, overuse of Google
Just admit that you gave up because I smashed all your ideas with the sledge-hammer of facts lol @ facts you quote three "highly" reliable sources and claim these are facts,the best being Tyler Hooton's( you didnt even do enough research to know the teens names) death being linked to steroids! You keep interchanging your ideas ie as regards PEDs as a whole and steroids as a subcategory as evidenced by the sides you listed which are all sides of steroids, I would be surprised if you can name(without googling) substances other than steroids and maybe EPO that constitute the body of substances known as PEDs In that regard I have no more time to argue you with you on a subject you clearly have a very basic understanding about Another typical pointless post from kizee1 1. Why is it even important that I research the teen's names? I watched the documentary years ago. The fact is that teenagers die from steroid use. I do not have to name them to make my point. 2. I have not changed categories or anything as you claim. My point is simple: PEDs have nasty side effects and any society that allows the youth to abuse them as you are proposing is irresponsible. 3. Nothing you have posted here bolsters your proposal that PED use should be allowed
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Alba wrote:kizee1 wrote:Alba wrote:kizee1 wrote:
this is why i stopped arguing with the dude, overuse of Google
Just admit that you gave up because I smashed all your ideas with the sledge-hammer of facts lol @ facts you quote three "highly" reliable sources and claim these are facts,the best being Tyler Hooton's( you didnt even do enough research to know the teens names) death being linked to steroids! You keep interchanging your ideas ie as regards PEDs as a whole and steroids as a subcategory as evidenced by the sides you listed which are all sides of steroids, I would be surprised if you can name(without googling) substances other than steroids and maybe EPO that constitute the body of substances known as PEDs In that regard I have no more time to argue you with you on a subject you clearly have a very basic understanding about Another typical pointless post from kizee1 1. Why is it even important that I research the teen's names? I watched the documentary years ago. The fact is that teenagers die from steroid use. I do not have to name them to make my point. 2. I have not changed categories or anything as you claim. My point is simple: PEDs have nasty side effects and any society that allows the youth to abuse them as you are proposing is irresponsible. 3. Nothing you have posted here bolsters your proposal that PED use should be allowed Recovery, reconstruction from the smash of this hammer will be hard. Impossible even.
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