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Security Laws Amendment Bill
maka
#141 Posted : Friday, January 02, 2015 8:00:47 PM
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Petition Nos 628 & 630 of 2014 (Consolidated) - Kenya Law - http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/104799
Odunga's ruling👆
possunt quia posse videntur
Robinhood
#142 Posted : Friday, January 02, 2015 9:35:20 PM
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What ails the security sercices is not a lack of laws. Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence. No law can fix these problems.

PS. I support all contitutional laws including those parts of this law that do not limit freedoms we fought Moi over.
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
thuks
#143 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 9:24:32 AM
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Robinhood wrote:
What ails the security sercices is not a lack of laws. Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence. No law can fix these problems.

PS. I support all contitutional laws including those parts of this law that do not limit freedoms we fought Moi over.


"Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence". Sad that we will never get a solution to our problem
I care!
maka
#144 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 10:07:51 AM
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This is a masterpiece from Odunga. Look at the closing remarks of the Learned judge:

"This Court was urged not to grant the orders sought on the ground that in the recent past there has been a lot of judicial bashing from other organs of the State and that the court may be construed as engaging in judicial activism.

On this point I can do no better than cite the decision inKinyanjui vs. Kinyanjui [1995-98] 1 EA 146 where it was held:

“For a Court of law to shirk from its constitutional duty of granting relief to a deserving suitor because of fear that the effect would be to engender serious ill will and probable violence between the parties or indeed any other consequences would be to sacrifice the principle of legality and the dictates of the rule of law at the altar of convenience as would be to give succour and sustenance to all who can threaten with sufficient menaces that they cannot live with and under the law.”

It has been said that the Courts must never shy away from doing justice because if they did not do so justice has the capacity to proclaim itself from the mountaintops and to open up the Heavens for it to rain down on us. Courts are the temples of justice and the last frontier of the rule of law.
See Republic vs. Judicial Commission of Inquiry Into The Goldenberg Affair, Honourable Mr. Justice of Appeal Bosire and Another Ex Parte Honourable Professor Saitoti [2007] 2 EA 392;  [2006] 2 KLR 400.

Justice, it has been said is not a cloistered virtue and that where justice is done and public interest upheld, it is acknowledged by the public at large, the sons and daughters of the land dance and sing, and the angels of heaven sing and dance and heaven and earth embrace.
See Mureithi & 2 Others (For Mbari Ya Murathimi Clan) vs. Attorney General & 5 Others Nairobi HCMCA No. 158 of 2005 [2006] 1 KLR 443."

Well said your Lordship!
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nakujua
#145 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 11:34:59 AM
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Courts are the temples of justice and the last frontier of the rule of law.
Ngong
#146 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 11:40:00 AM
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thuks wrote:
Robinhood wrote:
What ails the security sercices is not a lack of laws. Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence. No law can fix these problems.

PS. I support all contitutional laws including those parts of this law that do not limit freedoms we fought Moi over.


"Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence". Sad that we will never get a solution to our problem


First they get a solution to this and everything else shapes up,tuwache kujidanganya na mapositions/people.
thuks
#147 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 6:09:02 PM
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Ngong wrote:
thuks wrote:
Robinhood wrote:
What ails the security sercices is not a lack of laws. Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence. No law can fix these problems.

PS. I support all contitutional laws including those parts of this law that do not limit freedoms we fought Moi over.


"Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence". Sad that we will never get a solution to our problem


First they get a solution to this and everything else shapes up,tuwache kujidanganya na mapositions/people.


Who are "They" ?
Is there something "I" can do to help?
I care!
murchr
#148 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 6:37:03 PM
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thuks wrote:
Ngong wrote:
thuks wrote:
Robinhood wrote:
What ails the security sercices is not a lack of laws. Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence. No law can fix these problems.

PS. I support all contitutional laws including those parts of this law that do not limit freedoms we fought Moi over.


"Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence". Sad that we will never get a solution to our problem


First they get a solution to this and everything else shapes up,tuwache kujidanganya na mapositions/people.


Who are "They" ?
Is there something "I" can do to help?


What is tribalism?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rahatupu
#149 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 7:51:30 AM
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murchr wrote:
thuks wrote:
Ngong wrote:
thuks wrote:
Robinhood wrote:
What ails the security sercices is not a lack of laws. Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence. No law can fix these problems.

PS. I support all contitutional laws including those parts of this law that do not limit freedoms we fought Moi over.


"Its tribalism, corruption, and incompetence". Sad that we will never get a solution to our problem


First they get a solution to this and everything else shapes up,tuwache kujidanganya na mapositions/people.


Who are "They" ?
Is there something "I" can do to help?


What is tribalism?



Most of us agree that we have laws that are not enforced effectively. Like plans and programme implementation our weakness has always been execution. If the police enforced even the most ridiculous law we wouldn't be talking about security laws. Bribery. It starts with you and me and a thread on this esp in regards to traffic offences has been discussed here.
washiku
#150 Posted : Monday, February 23, 2015 3:08:40 PM
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