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limanika
#121 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 5:07:54 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
I'm still perplexed at the speed with which stuff happened last week. from the acrimony in the house to the speedy signing.

I wanted to condemn CORD for doing this, but a fainter version of this was enacted in 1997. I later watched and supported. The DN shouted 'Pandemonium' on page 1. I rememmber DP's Mulusya of Kangundo waving a placard as the budget was read. He was in the shouting chorus of NO REFORMS, NO BUDGET

Icharia of Kiambaa grabbed the mace. He was named.

I do not know what to make of this yet. I think upinzani have scored an impressive A for enlightening the masses about the bill but get a D for method of attempting to block in the house

If we applaud them, it might happen that everytime the minority is unhappy they will follow CORD's plan. On the other hand, it's their duty as the upinzani to block such.

I support the court action though
how do you create scenes in Parliament then cite the same as grounds in your case? Isn't this a perfect example trying to be surgeon ane mortician in the same case. That said, court should not comment too much on process of creating law. Court can only determine if certain aspects of the law are unconstitutional or not
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newfarer
#122 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:37:15 AM
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Location: Uganda
``
Failure to grant the conservatory orders
makes the new law operational, with
anyone intending to hold a public gathering
now required to get the permission of the
Cabinet Secretary in-charge of security.``

unconstitutional
punda amecheka
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limanika
#123 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:19:10 PM
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newfarer wrote:
``
Failure to grant the conservatory orders
makes the new law operational, with
anyone intending to hold a public gathering
now required to get the permission of the
Cabinet Secretary in-charge of security.``

unconstitutional

"newfarer, would you kindly advise which specific section of the bill/amendment prescribes this?
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Rahatupu
#124 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:01:35 PM
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Location: matano manne
limanika wrote:
newfarer wrote:
``
Failure to grant the conservatory orders
makes the new law operational, with
anyone intending to hold a public gathering
now required to get the permission of the
Cabinet Secretary in-charge of security.``

unconstitutional

"newfarer, would you kindly advise which specific section of the bill/amendment prescribes this?

@newfarer soma Act bwana. Ama Babu has read it for you?
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washiku
#125 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:40:03 PM
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Posts: 13,095
Rahatupu wrote:
limanika wrote:
newfarer wrote:
``
Failure to grant the conservatory orders
makes the new law operational, with
anyone intending to hold a public gathering
now required to get the permission of the
Cabinet Secretary in-charge of security.``

unconstitutional

"newfarer, would you kindly advise which specific section of the bill/amendment prescribes this?

@newfarer soma Act bwana. Ama Babu has read it for you?


Laughing out loudly Clearly amesomewa. That was deleted.
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newfarer
#126 Posted : Friday, December 26, 2014 11:53:09 AM
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washiku wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
limanika wrote:
newfarer wrote:
``
Failure to grant the conservatory orders
makes the new law operational, with
anyone intending to hold a public gathering
now required to get the permission of the
Cabinet Secretary in-charge of security.``

unconstitutional

"newfarer, would you kindly advise which specific section of the bill/amendment prescribes this?

@newfarer soma Act bwana. Ama Babu has read it for you?


Laughing out loudly Clearly amesomewa. That was deleted.



yappers!! ulizeni nation.co.ke.the paragraph is in quotes. c&p from nation website
punda amecheka
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limanika
#127 Posted : Friday, December 26, 2014 4:40:23 PM
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Most of the ammendments I read make alot of sense. Notwithstanding what the court decision will be, these laws is an idea whose time has come, n will evnrually prevail now or in the medium term
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Rahatupu
#128 Posted : Friday, December 26, 2014 8:42:01 PM
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limanika wrote:
Most of the ammendments I read make alot of sense. Notwithstanding what the court decision will be, these laws is an idea whose time has come, n will evnrually prevail now or in the medium term

Seconded
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tycho
#129 Posted : Saturday, December 27, 2014 12:09:00 PM
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Location: Nairobi
limanika wrote:
Most of the ammendments I read make alot of sense. Notwithstanding what the court decision will be, these laws is an idea whose time has come, n will evnrually prevail now or in the medium term


Though these laws appear to be reasonable and not invariant with the constitution and the bill of rights, at least at face value, their effectiveness and usefulness is highly doubtful. In fact, I think these laws are an attempt by government to appear to be solving issues facing the citizen and even trying to appease the citizen when it in fact isn't close to seeking proper solutions.

Once again the citizen is about to be faced with false options for support even with Cord going to court. I can even say that Cord and Jubilee could be in a tacit conspiracy to keep the citizens distracted from real issues for their own political ends.
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Rahatupu
#130 Posted : Saturday, December 27, 2014 1:53:59 PM
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tycho wrote:
limanika wrote:
Most of the ammendments I read make alot of sense. Notwithstanding what the court decision will be, these laws is an idea whose time has come, n will evnrually prevail now or in the medium term


Though these laws appear to be reasonable and not invariant with the constitution and the bill of rights, at least at face value, their effectiveness and usefulness is highly doubtful. In fact, I think these laws are an attempt by government to appear to be solving issues facing the citizen and even trying to appease the citizen when it in fact isn't close to seeking proper solutions.

Once again the citizen is about to be faced with false options for support even with Cord going to court. I can even say that Cord and Jubilee could be in a tacit conspiracy to keep the citizens distracted from real issues for their own political ends.


? Which ends and how are they tied together?
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