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VituVingiSana		#1211 Posted : Friday, December 19, 2014 11:56:21 AM
Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,380 Location: Nairobi		Monk wrote: Akenyan2014 wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: KQ just can't catch a break http://www.businessdaily...4/-/plh3uh/-/index.html Now during the peak season a go-slow! Give us a break, I think we need a consultant to do civic education about KQ. When air traffic controllers go on strike it is Not KQ, it is KCAA staff. When JKIA gets fire, it is Not KQ, it is KAA premises on fire. When you see a huge KQ advert on Mombasa road painted the Pride of Africa that structure Not owned KQ, it is Ogilvy or equivalent advertising firm carrying out advertising work on behalf of the client KQ. In every negative news in aviation the headlines on many dailies carry 'gory' pictures of the otherwise healthy KQ aircraft.Even for an airport tender gone sour they still hang a placard of the dreamliner on the headlines NKT KQ needs to sue those mischievous reporters in the spirit of supporting the new amendments to the Security laws. @Akenyan, you missed the point @VVS was making by a mile... @Monk one can only for KQ. You got my point. It matters little whether it is KCAA's 'fault' or KAA's 'premises' that catch fire... It's KQ that pays the price for grounded aircraft, delayed flights, pricey taxiing or circling around JKIA... KQ makes money when its aircraft are in the air full of passengers & cargo. Not when the planes are sitting on the ground, empty... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - *to paraphrase Warren Buffett*
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obiero		#1212 Posted : Friday, December 19, 2014 4:54:51 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,321 Location: nairobi		the problem with KQ is that there are too many people/institutions that are wishing it ill luck.. Some call it juju.. COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
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Akenyan2014		#1213 Posted : Friday, December 19, 2014 7:55:13 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2014 Posts: 268 Location: Nairobi, Kenya		@ VVS, I din't miss your point , you had none. You are right @Obiero on this one. It is not that I don't reckon the myriad of challenges but are you not aware that most of these issues being raised daily affect all other airlines as well? Kenyans have never been proud of anything they own. Only giving negative sides of parastatals even when they try to make a small profit. Remember what happened to Orange. All the time it was making losses, and state diluting its shareholding. Only to come out last year and say it made a profit - long after the govt. had found its holding diluted.
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1masha		#1214 Posted : Saturday, December 20, 2014 9:00:42 AM
Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/28/2014 Posts: 42		Akenyan2014 wrote: @ VVS, I din't miss your point , you had none. You are right @Obiero on this one. It is not that I don't reckon the myriad of challenges but are you not aware that most of these issues being raised daily affect all other airlines as well? Kenyans have never been proud of anything they own. Only giving negative sides of parastatals even when they try to make a small profit. Remember what happened to Orange. All the time it was making losses, and state diluting its shareholding. Only to come out last year and say it made a profit - long after the govt. had found its holding diluted. @Akenyan, if @VVS had no point, then it is also pointless of you to get annoyed, more so over no point. The go-slow will obviously eat up KQ's revenues, in one way or another Good judgement is often the result of experience. Experience is often the result of bad judgement - Mark Twain.
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tom_boy		#1215 Posted : Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:28:46 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767		Akenyan2014 wrote: @ VVS, I din't miss your point , you had none. You are right @Obiero on this one. It is not that I don't reckon the myriad of challenges but are you not aware that most of these issues being raised daily affect all other airlines as well? Kenyans have never been proud of anything they own. Only giving negative sides of parastatals even when they try to make a small profit. Remember what happened to Orange. All the time it was making losses, and state diluting its shareholding. Only to come out last year and say it made a profit - long after the govt. had found its holding diluted. Kuwa mpole @ ak. KQ is hardest hit by these issues as it uses JKIA as its hub. All their aircraft pass through JKIA as opposed to other airlines where only a few aircraft need to come to JKIA. In addition, other airlines can choose not to come to Nrb if issues get elephant. KQ cannot do that. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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VituVingiSana		#1216 Posted : Monday, December 22, 2014 12:07:38 AM
Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,380 Location: Nairobi		LMAO... Watu wana-catch feelings over KQ even when one sympathizes with KQ. Sawa. I (thankfully) sold off my KQ years ago during the Rights Issue thanks to convincing data & arguments/discussions. The rest is history. Sources: 1) http://www.investinginaf...8/kenyan-ceo-ownership/ 2) http://coldtusker.blogsp...&utm_medium=twitter 3) http://coldtusker.blogsp...ther-kenya-airways.html And of course fellow wazuans like @kausha Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - *to paraphrase Warren Buffett*
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VituVingiSana		#1217 Posted : Monday, December 22, 2014 12:15:59 AM
Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,380 Location: Nairobi		obiero wrote: the problem with KQ is that there are too many people/institutions that are wishing it ill luck.. Some call it juju.. ... BTW, how's the dividend? Oops, I meant the possibility of a dividend in 2018 only if the shareholders pump in a plenty of ma-billions to wipe off the debts! So get ready to support your hometown airline by buying more, more, more shares in the Rights Issue! I estimate KQ needs at least Shs 30bn to enable it reduce the debt [interest payments] to manageable levels. Current Market Cap with 1.5bn shares issued = 13bn [which is now lower than what KQ raised in the 2012 Rights Issue] Raising 30bn means issuing 3.5bn shares... Get your RTGS ready! JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - *to paraphrase Warren Buffett*
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hisah		#1218 Posted : Monday, December 22, 2014 12:40:26 AM
Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977		VituVingiSana wrote: obiero wrote: the problem with KQ is that there are too many people/institutions that are wishing it ill luck.. Some call it juju.. ... BTW, how's the dividend? Oops, I meant the possibility of a dividend in 2018 only if the shareholders pump in a plenty of ma-billions to wipe off the debts! So get ready to support your hometown airline by buying more, more, more shares in the Rights Issue! I estimate KQ needs at least Shs 30bn to enable it reduce the debt [interest payments] to manageable levels. Current Market Cap with 1.5bn shares issued = 13bn [which is now lower than what KQ raised in the 2012 Rights Issue] Raising 30bn means issuing 3.5bn shares... Get your RTGS ready! JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... Wow! That's some serious math @vvs. Hadn't looked at the market cap for a while. Indeed another heavy dilutive rights issue if one comes up!! And more prayers if those fuel hedges still exist with the current oil nosedive... Those hedging losses won't be funny plus the tourism slump and the ebola ugliness. Titanium balls needed... $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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VituVingiSana		#1219 Posted : Monday, December 22, 2014 1:09:23 AM
Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,380 Location: Nairobi		hisah wrote: VituVingiSana wrote: obiero wrote: the problem with KQ is that there are too many people/institutions that are wishing it ill luck.. Some call it juju.. ... BTW, how's the dividend? Oops, I meant the possibility of a dividend in 2018 only if the shareholders pump in a plenty of ma-billions to wipe off the debts! So get ready to support your hometown airline by buying more, more, more shares in the Rights Issue! I estimate KQ needs at least Shs 30bn to enable it reduce the debt [interest payments] to manageable levels. Current Market Cap with 1.5bn shares issued = 13bn [which is now lower than what KQ raised in the 2012 Rights Issue] Raising 30bn means issuing 3.5bn shares... Get your RTGS ready! JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... JUJU... Wow! That's some serious math @vvs. Hadn't looked at the market cap for a while. Indeed another heavy dilutive rights issue if one comes up!! And more prayers if those fuel hedges still exist with the current oil nosedive... Those hedging losses won't be funny plus the tourism slump and the ebola ugliness. Titanium balls needed... I have balls of clay when it comes to 'loser' investments. Comprehensive PBT Loss of 13.5bn in 6 months. I do not see a profit for the 2H seeing how few tourists are showing up. Add the continuing ebola scare + al-shabaab. As for lower oil/fuel prices, KQ will benefit but also lose on hedges in place. KQ has stopped giving detailed info. What are they scared of? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - *to paraphrase Warren Buffett*
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masukuma		#1220 Posted : Monday, December 22, 2014 7:53:03 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		the truth is that air travel is not profitable for airlines... worldwide. air travel is great for oil companies and airplane manufacturers but not for airlines. Why? it's competition! the airline industry competes it's profits away. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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