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Security Laws Amendment Bill
Swenani
#61 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:23:22 AM
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Mainat wrote:
For once, I think the opposition has some very valid points.
Even wanting to dictate who/when the head of police or NIS comes and goes is a problem because that should be left to an independent body.

Its not about Uhuru, but potential future dictators.


Some people don't get that;Moreover in my opinion,its only less than 20% of the proposed amendments that needs to be relooked at the remaining 80% are great laws
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
AlphDoti
#62 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:52:00 AM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
alma wrote:
murchr wrote:
Is one paper enough to justify your assertions? Are those dead people? More importantly are they British?

I thought yesterday your people said international newspapers don't post dead bodies and terror victims.

Murchr, please don't spread another lie. Do you want more links from other media?

I'm just being nice here. There are pictures of dead children inside their coffins. Just ask REUTERS to give you a sample.

This reminds me of the other law guys wanted to come up with based on the lie that Americans don't use cash in buses.

Don't create a law based on lying to citizens. That is already an example of having ulterior motives.

Tell them @alma. I get sick when I see people supposed to be learned stop using their brains. They just spew what they hear from Maina in the morning, or what their pastors comment, or what they read on the newspapers.

You know, that's why congratulate the Atheist sometimes! Because they use their brains!

NOTE: I didn't say I support the atheist. I said I congratulate them because they have been thinking!
murchr
#63 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:57:40 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
alma wrote:
murchr wrote:
Is one paper enough to justify your assertions? Are those dead people? More importantly are they British?


I thought yesterday your people said international newspapers don't post dead bodies and terror victims.

Murchr, please don't spread another lie. Do you want more links from other media?

I'm just being nice here. There are pictures of dead children inside their coffins. Just ask REUTERS to give you a sample.


This reminds me of the other law guys wanted to come up with based on the lie that Americans don't use cash in buses.


Don't create a law based on lying to citizens. That is already an example of having ulterior motives.


Just answer the 3 simple questions dammit...no need for literature
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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nakujua
#64 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:59:46 AM
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Joined: 12/17/2009
Posts: 3,583
Location: Kenya
AlphDoti wrote:
alma wrote:
murchr wrote:
Is one paper enough to justify your assertions? Are those dead people? More importantly are they British?

I thought yesterday your people said international newspapers don't post dead bodies and terror victims.

Murchr, please don't spread another lie. Do you want more links from other media?

I'm just being nice here. There are pictures of dead children inside their coffins. Just ask REUTERS to give you a sample.

This reminds me of the other law guys wanted to come up with based on the lie that Americans don't use cash in buses.

Don't create a law based on lying to citizens. That is already an example of having ulterior motives.

Tell them @alma. I get sick when I see people supposed to be learned stop using their brains. They just spew what they hear from Maina in the morning, or what their pastors comment, or what they read on the newspapers.

You know, that's why congratulate the Atheist sometimes! Because they use their brains!

NOTE: I didn't say I support the atheist. I said I congratulate them because they have been thinking!

chuki itakumaliza - Sad
alma
#65 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:16:50 PM
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Murchr, I'm very confused about your 3 questions

1. Are there dead people....Yes
2. Are there britons? I'm thinking you are going to say that Pakistani Media doesn't post....Ole wako. There are some pictures so bad I can't even share a link from their own media.
3. Is one newspaper supposed to make it fine? I don't know what to tell you again. That narrative is so strange. Just because I posted one source, doesn't mean there's only one source of these pics. Alma is not the best researcher in the world. You can find more if you try not burying your head in a silly bill.

But seeing that listening to PSCU is your favorite source of information, I'll give you a few to go by. From different countries including the Pakistani. One source I cannot share and its from Pakistan....It's actually to heartbreaking to watch.


http://www.dailymail.co....un-school-Pakistan.html

http://www.usatoday.com/...litary-school/20469711/


These are Pakistani Newspapers

Please I could not even post the pictures on the front page on one of them

www.express.com.pk/epaper/Index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE

http://dailypakistan.com.pk/


Now so that we don't get hijacked by these people who think we only care about the pictures, here's a little taste of what Kanu life was.

Please note, most of the laws that were passed to support the Kanu regime were passed by people who were in gov't. They ended up feeling the pain of the same laws they passed.

Please take your time and read the following TL.





read his whole story at his tweeter account.

Just incase you think a rogue cop will ask you if you are TNA or ODM when they purport to terminate your ID...(where on these are is your birth citizenship revoked by a minister?), they won't.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
AlphDoti
#66 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:23:17 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
alma wrote:
Murchr, I'm very confused about your 3 questions

1. Are there dead people....Yes
2. Are there britons? I'm thinking you are going to say that Pakistani Media doesn't post....Ole wako. There are some pictures so bad I can't even share a link from their own media.
3. Is one newspaper supposed to make it fine? I don't know what to tell you again. That narrative is so strange. Just because I posted one source, doesn't mean there's only one source of these pics. Alma is not the best researcher in the world. You can find more if you try not burying your head in a silly bill.

But seeing that listening to PSCU is your favorite source of information, I'll give you a few to go by. From different countries including the Pakistani. One source I cannot share and its from Pakistan....It's actually to heartbreaking to watch.

http://www.dailymail.co....un-school-Pakistan.html

http://www.usatoday.com/...litary-school/20469711/

These are Pakistani Newspapers

Please I could not even post the pictures on the front page on one of them

www.express.com.pk/epaper/Index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE

http://dailypakistan.com.pk/

Now so that we don't get hijacked by these people who think we only care about the pictures, here's a little taste of what Kanu life was.

Please note, most of the laws that were passed to support the Kanu regime were passed by people who were in gov't. They ended up feeling the pain of the same laws they passed.

Please take your time and read the following TL.





read his whole story at his tweeter account.

Just incase you think a rogue cop will ask you if you are TNA or ODM when they purport to terminate your ID...(where on these are is your birth citizenship revoked by a minister?), they won't.

One thing I've come to realize is that, people hate truth, they really enjoy lies and being told what they want to hear.

So I clap for @alma not because he's my buddy. He's not my buddy, but he says it as it is Applause
alma
#67 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:44:30 PM
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Posts: 4,432
@alphdoti, I know first hand what it means to have retrogressive laws and led by a group of sycophants.

To most on this forum, all they know about Moi is that he is a funny man and the risdyculous chaps can copy him exactly.

Some of us lived that period.

Even the biggest sycophants right now on wazua would never have gotten those cushy jobs they are boasting about were it not for the right to picket.

Those student marches meant something....Rubia at sabasaba meant something. Detention without trial meant something to Matiba.

These people were there when these laws were passed. They ended up being swallowed alive by their own python.

Laws on your rights should never be a jubilee vs odm vs raila vs uhuru thing.

Even Moi did not tell people that they could picket only at Uhuru park ati because offices will be locked and businesses will not earn.

Some of the things I hear from those pushing this law without considering the ramifications are very scary.

One day to go before I stop posting because this is real people. I'm too old to relive that time.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
AlphDoti
#68 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:07:41 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
alma wrote:
@alphdoti, I know first hand what it means to have retrogressive laws and led by a group of sycophants.

To most on this forum, all they know about Moi is that he is a funny man and the risdyculous chaps can copy him exactly.

Some of us lived that period.

Even the biggest sycophants right now on wazua would never have gotten those cushy jobs they are boasting about were it not for the right to picket.

Those student marches meant something....Rubia at sabasaba meant something. Detention without trial meant something to Matiba.

These people were there when these laws were passed. They ended up being swallowed alive by their own python.

Laws on your rights should never be a jubilee vs odm vs raila vs uhuru thing.

Even Moi did not tell people that they could picket only at Uhuru park ati because offices will be locked and businesses will not earn.

Some of the things I hear from those pushing this law without considering the ramifications are very scary.

One day to go before I stop posting because this is real people. I'm too old to relive that time.

Me too men! After Thu, I'll just start learning how to play computer games I hear are very interesting, or install them in my smart phone after resisting them all this time, and sip my porridge in the evening as I watch the sun sets while my cows moo off the day, and my workers park the farm machinery in their respective places. I will leave my wisdom to those young men who will wont to listen to this old man some day!
TAZ
#69 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:08:49 PM
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Joined: 11/14/2007
Posts: 4,152
Swenani wrote:
Mainat wrote:
For once, I think the opposition has some very valid points.
Even wanting to dictate who/when the head of police or NIS comes and goes is a problem because that should be left to an independent body.

Its not about Uhuru, but potential future dictators.


Some people don't get that;Moreover in my opinion,its only less than 20% of the proposed amendments that needs to be relooked at the remaining 80% are great laws


I totally agree with you, the Bill should be amended and not withdrawn in its totality as recommended by CORD. How will discussions between Government and CORD solve security issues, hiyo ni upuzi mtupuu.....

@Alma....I think I've lost count of the number of times you've threatened to leave Wazua?
alma
#70 Posted : Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:16:51 PM
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Joined: 7/20/2007
Posts: 4,432
TAZ wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Mainat wrote:
For once, I think the opposition has some very valid points.
Even wanting to dictate who/when the head of police or NIS comes and goes is a problem because that should be left to an independent body.

Its not about Uhuru, but potential future dictators.


Some people don't get that;Moreover in my opinion,its only less than 20% of the proposed amendments that needs to be relooked at the remaining 80% are great laws


I totally agree with you, the Bill should be amended and not withdrawn in its totality as recommended by CORD. How will discussions between Government and CORD solve security issues, hiyo ni upuzi mtupuu.....

@Alma....I think I've lost count of the number of times you've threatened to leave Wazua?


@TAZ when you were in diapers I was being clobbered by the Moi sycophants. By the time you were in primary school, I knew what it meant to be targeted.

I take laws and retrogressive ones very seriously. Ask yourself why there are so many Kikuyus and Luos in the diaspora....And think very hard about the answer because it was not because Kenya was peaceful under Kanu rule unlike other african countries.

Ni hayo tu.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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