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Swenani
#231 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:29:00 AM
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Jump-steady wrote:
limanika wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Kenya's intelligence agency seems doing a superb job. They are privy to all those attacks long before they happen. Seems the rotten police/ leaders failure to act as our undoing. They should be sharing those intelligence with the public. Many lives will be saved.

I disagree. If NSIS were upto task, they would have foreseen and forewarned PORK that their Intel alerts will be ignored by Police. They would also have by now advised how to correct the weaknesses rather than hide behind intelligence reports


No. Legislation must be formulated to have NSIS to make arrests or even liquidate terrorists.


The same NIS guys who spend most of their time in bars instead of being in the field?

The few guys I know who work for NIS are drunkards who don't do anywork apart from looking for fake receipts to account for the advance they were given!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
limanika
#232 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:30:56 AM
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Jump-steady wrote:
limanika wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Kenya's intelligence agency seems doing a superb job. They are privy to all those attacks long before they happen. Seems the rotten police/ leaders failure to act as our undoing. They should be sharing those intelligence with the public. Many lives will be saved.

I disagree. If NSIS were upto task, they would have foreseen and forewarned PORK that their Intel alerts will be ignored by Police. They would also have by now advised how to correct the weaknesses rather than hide behind intelligence reports


No. Legislation must be formulated to have NSIS to make arrests or even liquidate terrorists.
Only in Kenya you hear of legislation and terrorists in the same sentence. And why NSIS never drafted this legislation? Ati its not their work?
ecstacy
#233 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 12:44:29 PM
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limanika wrote:
Jump-steady wrote:
limanika wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Kenya's intelligence agency seems doing a superb job. They are privy to all those attacks long before they happen. Seems the rotten police/ leaders failure to act as our undoing. They should be sharing those intelligence with the public. Many lives will be saved.

I disagree. If NSIS were upto task, they would have foreseen and forewarned PORK that their Intel alerts will be ignored by Police. They would also have by now advised how to correct the weaknesses rather than hide behind intelligence reports


No. Legislation must be formulated to have NSIS to make arrests or even liquidate terrorists.
Only in Kenya you hear of legislation and terrorists in the same sentence. And why NSIS never drafted this legislation? Ati its not their work?


SMH ^^ Noisemaking.
jaggernaut
#234 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:11:44 PM
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C&P

Mwingi residents yesterday staged demonstrations against insecurity.

The protestors almost set ablaze buses to and from North Eastern Kenya and Nairobi.

Ordinarily, these buses are packed with members of the Somali community.

Police had to shoot in the air to disperse the mob.

While other buses opted to turn back, some headed to police stations.

The demonstrators stoned an Earth Plane Company bus from Nairobi, before heading for a local hotel run by Somalis.

They threatened to smash the windows and doors and pour out all the cooked food.

The demonstrators said the buses ferrying the attackers from Northern Kenya pass through Mwingi to go to other regions like Nairobi and Mombasa.

They called for investigations of all residents and foreigners.

The demonstration started at 10am, at Umoja petrol station and proceeded through the town to head to the deputy county commissioner’s office.

Centre for human rights and civic education together with residents criticised the Mandera killings in which 36 people were killed at a quarry in Koromei, Mandera town.

“How would they feel if we stopped the vehicles and asked all the non-Christians to return to Garissa, Mandera, Dadaab or any other part of northern Kenya?” said a demonstrator.

- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...mo#sthash.NrLkmp5O.dpuf

D32
#235 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 10:52:31 PM
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Ideas:

Is it difficult to get Kenyan Somali agents trained, then be recruited by shabab for the purpose of information gathering?

Also offer rewards to defectors e.g. $1000 for info that will lead to the arrest of shabab militia who are en-route to an attack.
They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
Boris Boyka
#236 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:00:01 PM
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D32 wrote:
Ideas:

Is it difficult to get Kenyan Somali agents trained, then be recruited by shabab for the purpose of information gathering?

Also offer rewards to defectors e.g. $1000 for info that will lead to the arrest of shabab militia who are en-route to an attack.

they tried most fail terribly coz msomali ni msomali their loyalty ni kwao wenyewe.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
harrydre
#237 Posted : Friday, December 05, 2014 1:04:29 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
D32 wrote:
Ideas:

Is it difficult to get Kenyan Somali agents trained, then be recruited by shabab for the purpose of information gathering?

Also offer rewards to defectors e.g. $1000 for info that will lead to the arrest of shabab militia who are en-route to an attack.

they tried most fail terribly coz msomali ni msomali their loyalty ni kwao wenyewe.


those Gurus need the chemical weapons now.

Let these laws be amended watu wafinywe!

http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/k8qdc1/-/index.html
i.am.back!!!!
Boris Boyka
#238 Posted : Friday, December 05, 2014 9:26:24 AM
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harrydre wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
D32 wrote:
Ideas:

Is it difficult to get Kenyan Somali agents trained, then be recruited by shabab for the purpose of information gathering?

Also offer rewards to defectors e.g. $1000 for info that will lead to the arrest of shabab militia who are en-route to an attack.

they tried most fail terribly coz msomali ni msomali their loyalty ni kwao wenyewe.


those Gurus need the chemical weapons now.

Let these laws be amended watu wafinywe!

http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/k8qdc1/-/index.html

they could work. Iread somewhere that ourformer brothers in west (enemies now) have a BIG hand in these attacks. Conspiracy...they are failing in ICC and loosing grip in this region.
1. kenya being powerfull in the region seems to be shifting to East in all aspects.
2.Kenia showing signs of "super power" in United States of Africa. Look how it martialed Africa against Rome statute.
3. Mineral deposits discovered in the NEP regions.
4. They want to create unrest and chaos plus outcry to distabilize kenia and ensure UK is kicked out like in arab uprising. this to fulfill there wishes of UK can't make.
5. The best way is using the border regions so to blame kebab.
6. They want kenia to fail in this war given we had won where they terrribly failed.
Iknow they have been training in these areas and worked closely with our military and that they physically know key routes & installations in these areas. I know there are cases of real kebab and others of conspiracy by west. Some of the border families seem not to have any tangible information on these attackers which isn't normal. kebab always want credit for wrongs done ata ukikaziwa landing they own it.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Obi 1 Kanobi
#239 Posted : Friday, December 05, 2014 10:18:46 AM
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Joined: 7/23/2008
Posts: 3,017
Boris Boyka wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
D32 wrote:
Ideas:

Is it difficult to get Kenyan Somali agents trained, then be recruited by shabab for the purpose of information gathering?

Also offer rewards to defectors e.g. $1000 for info that will lead to the arrest of shabab militia who are en-route to an attack.

they tried most fail terribly coz msomali ni msomali their loyalty ni kwao wenyewe.


those Gurus need the chemical weapons now.

Let these laws be amended watu wafinywe!

http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/k8qdc1/-/index.html

they could work. Iread somewhere that ourformer brothers in west (enemies now) have a BIG hand in these attacks. Conspiracy...they are failing in ICC and loosing grip in this region.
1. kenya being powerfull in the region seems to be shifting to East in all aspects.
2.Kenia showing signs of "super power" in United States of Africa. Look how it martialed Africa against Rome statute.
3. Mineral deposits discovered in the NEP regions.
4. They want to create unrest and chaos plus outcry to distabilize kenia and ensure UK is kicked out like in arab uprising. this to fulfill there wishes of UK can't make.
5. The best way is using the border regions so to blame kebab.
6. They want kenia to fail in this war given we had won where they terrribly failed.
Iknow they have been training in these areas and worked closely with our military and that they physically know key routes & installations in these areas. I know there are cases of real kebab and others of conspiracy by west. Some of the border families seem not to have any tangible information on these attackers which isn't normal. kebab always want credit for wrongs done ata ukikaziwa landing they own it.


And that my friends is a perfect mound of sand to burry one's head in. Keep the theories coming, i am sure the villagers in Nyeri and Kakamega will understand.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
tycho
#240 Posted : Friday, December 05, 2014 1:24:12 PM
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Somalis are humans too. We shouldn't dehumanize them because we are angry. I realize that the Somalis have not identified themselves with Kenya as with the Somali republic. And as now we have our Soldiers in Somalia and deeply involved in Somali politics, it's possible to design a political solution that can hold a stable peace within a mutualist context.

But that will need some change in domestic politics. Like the issues of earning a livelihood for the youth on a holistic and sustainable basis, and elucidation of a cogent and adaptive political philosophy.

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