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KENOL-KOBIL 2014
Realtreaty
#441 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 8:31:31 AM
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What profit can Kenyan Oil marketers make with the current fall in crude oil prices? Had KK hedged on anything this time round or is it laughing all the way to the bank after realising hedging was fraud?
Birds of the same feather fly together and I am waiting to see KK inline with Total.
maka
#442 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:06:43 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
What profit can Kenyan Oil marketers make with the current fall in crude oil prices? Had KK hedged on anything this time round or is it laughing all the way to the bank after realising hedging was fraud?
Birds of the same feather fly together and I am waiting to see KK inline with Total.


I was also thinking the same is the drop in crude oil good for Kenol or bad?If good definitely this is one counter guys should get into big time...
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SittingPretty
#443 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:14:24 PM
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maka wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
What profit can Kenyan Oil marketers make with the current fall in crude oil prices? Had KK hedged on anything this time round or is it laughing all the way to the bank after realising hedging was fraud?
Birds of the same feather fly together and I am waiting to see KK inline with Total.


I was also thinking the same is the drop in crude oil good for Kenol or bad?If good definitely this is one counter guys should get into big time...


I believe they stopped since their hedging partner also stopped that biashara, it cuts both sides you know(Zero Sum). Otherwise this year all, fuel companies are going to make super profits. Okay this how it works: Assuming today is Dec 14th when ERC sets the price. The price has variables (i.e Forex, CIF and premium) based on the months of October and November. However the products available and sold within the month of December will constitute November and December costs. There is the catch, when prices are falling (actually about Ksh5/Ltr per month in this case),the marketers have an expensive component (October Variables) in their prices which is not in the actual costs for cargo delivered in December. The assumption here is that the forces of demand and supply are consistent.
And that's why I will bet more of my eggs with KK until the tied changes.
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dunkang
#444 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:34:43 PM
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VituVingiSana
#445 Posted : Thursday, December 04, 2014 6:54:51 PM
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SittingPretty wrote:
maka wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
What profit can Kenyan Oil marketers make with the current fall in crude oil prices? Had KK hedged on anything this time round or is it laughing all the way to the bank after realising hedging was fraud?
Birds of the same feather fly together and I am waiting to see KK inline with Total.


I was also thinking the same is the drop in crude oil good for Kenol or bad?If good definitely this is one counter guys should get into big time...


I believe they stopped since their hedging partner also stopped that biashara, it cuts both sides you know(Zero Sum). Otherwise this year all, fuel companies are going to make super profits. Okay this how it works: Assuming today is Dec 14th when ERC sets the price. The price has variables (i.e Forex, CIF and premium) based on the months of October and November. However the products available and sold within the month of December will constitute November and December costs. There is the catch, when prices are falling (actually about Ksh5/Ltr per month in this case),the marketers have an expensive component (October Variables) in their prices which is not in the actual costs for cargo delivered in December. The assumption here is that the forces of demand and supply are consistent.
And that's why I will bet more of my eggs with KK until the tied changes.

That tide can change very fast. So KK has to be careful if the oil prices start rising. They do not want to be caught with pricey stocks. I believe KK plays just in time vs storing large amounts as it did previously.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Realtreaty
#446 Posted : Sunday, December 07, 2014 12:59:38 AM
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Atlas Logistics to list by introduction
Atlas Development & Support Services, a London-listed company, says it will list 393.9 million shares by way of introduction on the GEMS at the Nairobi Securities Exchange this month. It has priced the offer at Sh11.60 a piece, according to a listing statement dated November 14, valuing the company at about Sh4.57 billion. ADSS, formerly known as Africa Oilfields Logistics Ltd, is registered in Kenya as a foreign company and is listed on the London Stock Exchange’s Alternative Investments Market segment. ADSS owns Ardan Logistics Kenya Ltd, which was incorporated in the country in March.
Is this a clever way to enter the market and most likely partner/Merge with KK?
What has KK to say noting that Atlas is giving a Price of 11.60 for its stock?
Can they Negotiate for sh18-22?
littledove
#447 Posted : Sunday, December 07, 2014 4:45:56 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Atlas Logistics to list by introduction
Atlas Development & Support Services, a London-listed company, says it will list 393.9 million shares by way of introduction on the GEMS at the Nairobi Securities Exchange this month. It has priced the offer at Sh11.60 a piece, according to a listing statement dated November 14, valuing the company at about Sh4.57 billion. ADSS, formerly known as Africa Oilfields Logistics Ltd, is registered in Kenya as a foreign company and is listed on the London Stock Exchange’s Alternative Investments Market segment. ADSS owns Ardan Logistics Kenya Ltd, which was incorporated in the country in March.
Is this a clever way to enter the market and most likely partner/Merge with KK?
What has KK to say noting that Atlas is giving a Price of 11.60 for its stock?
Can they Negotiate for sh18-22?

I think core business if kk and atlas are different, in what basis are you relating them?
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
Realtreaty
#448 Posted : Sunday, December 07, 2014 8:45:49 PM
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littledove wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Atlas Logistics to list by introduction
Atlas Development & Support Services, a London-listed company, says it will list 393.9 million shares by way of introduction on the GEMS at the Nairobi Securities Exchange this month. It has priced the offer at Sh11.60 a piece, according to a listing statement dated November 14, valuing the company at about Sh4.57 billion. ADSS, formerly known as Africa Oilfields Logistics Ltd, is registered in Kenya as a foreign company and is listed on the London Stock Exchange’s Alternative Investments Market segment. ADSS owns Ardan Logistics Kenya Ltd, which was incorporated in the country in March.
Is this a clever way to enter the market and most likely partner/Merge with KK?
What has KK to say noting that Atlas is giving a Price of 11.60 for its stock?
Can they Negotiate for sh18-22?

I think core business if kk and atlas are different, in what basis are you relating them?

smile
Atlas Development & Support Services Limited acquires and/or invests in businesses which focus on the logistics support industry in respect of oil and gas exploration and other development projects in sub-Saharan Africa. smile
Realtreaty
#449 Posted : Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:13:00 PM
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Who pivoted our Bird? It has been moving as a pendulum hinged at a point for so long.
But this keep us moving protecting our Bird-
"KenolKobil is the stock of choice for many investors on the NSE mainly because of the Company’s strong Management policies and leadership which has seen the Company grow from a little known enterprise to a multinational oil marketing company."
Boris Boyka
#450 Posted : Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:40:48 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
You have a habit of rallying Mon - Thur only to erode the gains on Fri. I hope from today. henceforth you start behaving well like your younger siblings who grow & develope steadily and only look back to pick those left behind. Yours parent/shareholder.

Dear Parent,

You have a habit of not recognizing opportunities!! You should be buying on Friday and selling between Monday and Thursday when I rally! All these years I have been trying to make you rich and you have been failing me all along!

Yours,
Disappointed child.

.........

He he he. Just messing with you.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Nice one!

one wazuan among these three is the pivot....mimi sijataja mtu.smile smile
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