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alma wrote:Aiii Obi 1, feel sorry for the guy. They spent the whole night coming up with hashtags and talking points. Hawajalala kuwa na huruma.
Kularaha, Swenani, Am is not a psychophant. He just feels the need to mention RAO even when he's peeing. I hear its an urge that's very hard to get rid off. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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LEADERSHIP. LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP. Let me explain We border Somalia, yes. But even Ethiopia does that. So why is it that only Kenya has this Al Shabaab Problem? What is our policy on refugees. Until recently, the whole refugee issue was left under UNHCR. Is UNHCR a Govt, are they suppose to protect Kenyan interests?. Uganda has refugees being handled by Defence and Police. Here its under Immigration, Civilians who do not care whether its a granade or bomb being allowed in. LAWS are made thro parliament and the Govt has failed to do that. Which law guides property ownership in Kenya, esp w.r.t foreigners? When did Komarock Change hands, South C, Eistleigh? Corruption is eating us slowly, zamani ilikwa TKK. Do you ever hear of that term anymore. Chickengate s the newest name, and it is perpetrated by high and mighty. Mushkila Katir Katir "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Am wrote:Swenani wrote:Am wrote:Baratang wrote:Hi members.
I listened to the presidents speech on security and after deep thought I realised he knew what he was talking about. Although at some point he was angry he was right.
The reason why I am saying this is because i have seen what he is advising working elsewhere. Let me be specific.
I first set my foot in Botswana in 1986, during which time I was a very young man but adventurous, stayed until the year 2009 when I decided to come back to Kenya.
For all those years that I stayed in Botswana, the presidents Masire, Mogae and even Ian Khama rarely talked about security within and at the borders.
You see in the late 80s and early 90s, the political situation in Southern Africa was chaotic, South Africa was not good due to the apertheid regime and freedom struggle, in Namibia as people were fighting for independence and in Angola as the civil war ranged. In all the cases freedom fighters and other people were crossing over to Botswana as it was seen to be the safest. In early to mid 90s things in Zimbabwe started moving from worse to worst and the result more immigrants to Botswana.
All in all more than a half a million emigrants crossed over to Botswana through the gazetted border points and others unaccounted for through panya routes, but how did Botswana manage to maintain the safety of its citizen despite that huge number of foreigners/immigrants influx and being a country surrounded by politically unstable states at the time:
1.Socially (a) The citizen responsibility. A local had to know who the neighbour was with no reminder from anybody. If a local noticed a neighbour who was hardly seen he/she reported it to the nearest police station and Immigration and the two bodies immediately swung into action.
(b) It was in law that each and every plot Land Registration (LR) No be conspicuously displayed at the point of entry (gates or doors). When you filled any forms be it employment, utilities or any other application forms the most important social data was your name and physical address (residential LR No, the Road and estate). The landlords were required by the law to keep a database on their foreigner tenants and were required to share it with the immigration. This way the government knew who was staying where and when they needed you they came for you at any time.
(c) If foreigners sought asylum as refugees then they remained in the refugee camp, no mingling with other people. If you were caught, and it was established that you have refugee status, repatriation right away.
(d) The Batswana fear and respect the law. It spares no one, not the rich, not the poor, not the mighty. It was applied equally to all irrespective of their social status.
(e) Botswana was and is still the least corrupt country in Africa. When it came to getting services which you needed by right, nobody claimed to be doing you any favour and everybody kept off from corruption. Under such circumstances, they ran a very efficient impartial public service and police force.
2. Commercially... (a) A local could and would not sell any land or property to a foreigner. No law prohibited them from doing it, but this intention was to keep foreigners from owning anything in that country and consequently keeping them at bay.
(b) Any company that intended to buy any property had to have a majority stake owned by citizens. NB majority shareholder meant more than 70%.
(c) The labour laws were and are still very strict. No company irrespective of the owners (whether foreign or locally owned) was allowed to employ foreigners in posts whose job skills and expertise was locally available.
If we draw political paralells between Kenya and Botswana we have almost everything in common. I know most of us will still argue that our social structures are completely different but when it comes to matters security this goes beyond social structures. Security is a collective effort and responsibility between the citizenry and the government.
Let us sit back as Kenyans and do a little reflection. Socially and commercially, where have we succeeded in assisting the government of the day to give us the security that we need.
Let us discuss this objectively and soberly. Wear a steel helmet. To many you are a sycophant, ''a Mundu wa Nyumba'' , a mountaineer! He didn't ask you to clap or tell him what other people thinkabout him,He said Quote: Let us discuss this objectively and soberly He Didn't ask you to CORRECT Others. He said ''Let us discuss this objectively and soberly''
 Wacha nicheke. Please musiniambie "He did not say ucheke .....
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Um Sayala wrote:LEADERSHIP. LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP. Let me explain We border Somalia, yes. But even Ethiopia does that. So why is it that only Kenya has this Al Shabaab Problem? What is our policy on refugees. Until recently, the whole refugee issue was left under UNHCR. Is UNHCR a Govt, are they suppose to protect Kenyan interests?. Uganda has refugees being handled by Defence and Police. Here its under Immigration, Civilians who do not care whether its a granade or bomb being allowed in. LAWS are made thro parliament and the Govt has failed to do that.
Which law guides property ownership in Kenya, esp w.r.t foreigners? When did Komarock Change hands, South C, Eistleigh? Corruption is eating us slowly, zamani ilikwa TKK. Do you ever hear of that term anymore. Chickengate s the newest name, and it is perpetrated by high and mighty. Mushkila Katir Katir Exactly. The Problem 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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Takeshi wrote:Um Sayala wrote:LEADERSHIP. LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP. Let me explain We border Somalia, yes. But even Ethiopia does that. So why is it that only Kenya has this Al Shabaab Problem? What is our policy on refugees. Until recently, the whole refugee issue was left under UNHCR. Is UNHCR a Govt, are they suppose to protect Kenyan interests?. Uganda has refugees being handled by Defence and Police. Here its under Immigration, Civilians who do not care whether its a granade or bomb being allowed in. LAWS are made thro parliament and the Govt has failed to do that.
Which law guides property ownership in Kenya, esp w.r.t foreigners? When did Komarock Change hands, South C, Eistleigh? Corruption is eating us slowly, zamani ilikwa TKK. Do you ever hear of that term anymore. Chickengate s the newest name, and it is perpetrated by high and mighty. Mushkila Katir Katir Exactly. The Problem  Shicken Posture spoils a Friend's mind. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Am wrote:Takeshi wrote:Um Sayala wrote:LEADERSHIP. LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP. Let me explain We border Somalia, yes. But even Ethiopia does that. So why is it that only Kenya has this Al Shabaab Problem? What is our policy on refugees. Until recently, the whole refugee issue was left under UNHCR. Is UNHCR a Govt, are they suppose to protect Kenyan interests?. Uganda has refugees being handled by Defence and Police. Here its under Immigration, Civilians who do not care whether its a granade or bomb being allowed in. LAWS are made thro parliament and the Govt has failed to do that.
Which law guides property ownership in Kenya, esp w.r.t foreigners? When did Komarock Change hands, South C, Eistleigh? Corruption is eating us slowly, zamani ilikwa TKK. Do you ever hear of that term anymore. Chickengate s the newest name, and it is perpetrated by high and mighty. Mushkila Katir Katir Exactly. The Problem  Shicken Posture spoils a Friend's mind.  Hata we we inakupea Nyota kama Rafiki yetu.
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The problem is bigger than what we all want to point at, it's the same problem that drive poor service delivery across the government and it's going to take alot more to change it not just community policing.
To me, I think the biggest problem is incentive system. As simple as it may look, poor/unfair incentive system drive alot more than we pay attention to.
1. Police take bribes most of them in order to feed their families, if you pay police, Kshs 30k and you pay a politician kshs 3M there is a problem 2. Doctors are never present in Hospitals because they have to take other jobs to meet their basic needs, if you build a kshs 0.5 Billion to retired politicians and you can't pay enough to Health care professional and equip hospitals, then don't expect better services
3. It's the poor choices made by government, year in year out, with the support of it's people. You and I.
Until we fix the incentive systems, you're not going to attract the best talents to provide good services to Kenyans. Don't blame the police for taking bribes.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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 I am now convinced that the biggest threat to our security is that we look at it based on our political affiliations.  When thugs rule the city, we are all at risk. We must ALL demand service delivery, more so if we voted the government.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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washiku wrote: I am now convinced that the biggest threat to our security is that we look at it based on our political affiliations.  When thugs rule the city, we are all at risk. We must ALL demand service delivery, more so if we voted the government. Boss you are still pursuing this Pang'ang'a?. Bado Mapambano eeh????? Isokei. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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