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Why I support President Uhuru on security
alma
#11 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 1:02:55 PM
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KulaRaha
#12 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 1:08:04 PM
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My contribution: #itsonlybeenayeargimmietime
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Swenani
#13 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 1:32:12 PM
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Baratang wrote:
Hi members.

I listened to the presidents speech on security and after deep thought I realised he knew what he was talking about. Although at some point he was angry he was right. Ni sawa tu,this being a ndigitol gaarment,I understand where you are coming from

The reason why I am saying this is because i have seen what he is advising working elsewhere. Let me be specific.

I first set my foot in Botswana in 1986, during which time I was a very young man but adventurous, stayed until the year 2009 when I decided to come back to Kenya.

For all those years that I stayed in Botswana, the presidents Masire, Mogae and even Ian Khama rarely talked about security within and at the borders.

You see in the late 80s and early 90s, the political situation in Southern Africa was chaotic, South Africa was not good due to the apertheid regime and freedom struggle, in Namibia as people were fighting for independence and in Angola as the civil war ranged. In all the cases freedom fighters and other people were crossing over to Botswana as it was seen to be the safest. In early to mid 90s things in Zimbabwe started moving from worse to worst and the result more immigrants to Botswana.

All in all more than a half a million emigrants crossed over to Botswana through the gazetted border points and others unaccounted for through panya routes, but how did Botswana manage to maintain the safety of its citizen despite that huge number of foreigners/immigrants influx and being a country surrounded by politically unstable states at the time:

1.Socially
(a) The citizen responsibility. A local had to know who the neighbour was with no reminder from anybody. If a local noticed a neighbour who was hardly seen he/she reported it to the nearest police station and Immigration and the two bodies immediately swung into action.......Kenya tutangoja until the devil overthrows God in Heaven

(b) It was in law that each and every plot Land Registration (LR) No be conspicuously displayed at the point of entry (gates or doors). When you filled any forms be it employment, utilities or any other application forms the most important social data was your name and physical address (residential LR No, the Road and estate). The landlords were required by the law to keep a database on their foreigner tenants and were required to share it with the immigration. This way the government knew who was staying where and when they needed you they came for you at any time.We are still waiting for ndigitol registration

(c) If foreigners sought asylum as refugees then they remained in the refugee camp, no mingling with other people. If you were caught, and it was established that you have refugee status, repatriation right away.Hapa Kenya ni bribe right away

(d) The Batswana fear and respect the law. It spares no one, not the rich, not the poor, not the mighty. It was applied equally to all irrespective of their social status. When you have crooks who know that even if you report them,no one will come for them or they are untouchable;who willfear and respect law?Why would makanga's undress a woman in public in cbd if they fear the law?Who is to blame for this?

(e) Botswana was and is still the least corrupt country in Africa. When it came to getting services which you needed by right, nobody claimed to be doing you any favour and everybody kept off from corruption. Under such circumstances, they ran a very efficient impartial public service and police force.

2. Commercially...
(a) A local could and would not sell any land or property to a foreigner. No law prohibited them from doing it, but this intention was to keep foreigners from owning anything in that country and consequently keeping them at bay.

(b) Any company that intended to buy any property had to have a majority stake owned by citizens. NB majority shareholder meant more than 70%.

(c) The labour laws were and are still very strict. No company irrespective of the owners (whether foreign or locally owned) was allowed to employ foreigners in posts whose job skills and expertise was locally available.How many chinese do we have working in kenya who can even express themselves in mandarin leave alone english or indians who can even speak punjabi and english?

If we draw political paralells between Kenya and Botswana we have almost everything in common. I know most of us will still argue that our social structures are completely different but when it comes to matters security this goes beyond social structures. Security is a collective effort and responsibility between the citizenry and the government.I hope you realize that from your above 2 points the government has failed massively

Let us sit back as Kenyans and do a little reflection. Socially and commercially, where have we succeeded in assisting the government of the day to give us the security that we need.

Let us discuss this objectively and soberly.


If the government(read the security arm of the government) only tried to be responsive(not even reach out) Kenyans,then the security situation will improve.Currently,I believe no matter how hard the citizens try, we the security situation will not improve.If I report a suspected robber and the police officer asks me to bring the robber to the police station, what should I do?

I believe we have this because of poor leadership with the security arms,let no one lie to you that we need to overhaul the whole security including the corporals;Why did Michuki rules work.

If you sit on somebody with pressure,the only alternative for that somebody is to find someone else to sit on with that pressure!

The lower level officers do not care because they know the people above don't care or wont hold them accountable.

If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Swenani
#14 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 1:38:21 PM
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Am wrote:
Baratang wrote:
Hi members.

I listened to the presidents speech on security and after deep thought I realised he knew what he was talking about. Although at some point he was angry he was right.

The reason why I am saying this is because i have seen what he is advising working elsewhere. Let me be specific.

I first set my foot in Botswana in 1986, during which time I was a very young man but adventurous, stayed until the year 2009 when I decided to come back to Kenya.

For all those years that I stayed in Botswana, the presidents Masire, Mogae and even Ian Khama rarely talked about security within and at the borders.

You see in the late 80s and early 90s, the political situation in Southern Africa was chaotic, South Africa was not good due to the apertheid regime and freedom struggle, in Namibia as people were fighting for independence and in Angola as the civil war ranged. In all the cases freedom fighters and other people were crossing over to Botswana as it was seen to be the safest. In early to mid 90s things in Zimbabwe started moving from worse to worst and the result more immigrants to Botswana.

All in all more than a half a million emigrants crossed over to Botswana through the gazetted border points and others unaccounted for through panya routes, but how did Botswana manage to maintain the safety of its citizen despite that huge number of foreigners/immigrants influx and being a country surrounded by politically unstable states at the time:

1.Socially
(a) The citizen responsibility. A local had to know who the neighbour was with no reminder from anybody. If a local noticed a neighbour who was hardly seen he/she reported it to the nearest police station and Immigration and the two bodies immediately swung into action.

(b) It was in law that each and every plot Land Registration (LR) No be conspicuously displayed at the point of entry (gates or doors). When you filled any forms be it employment, utilities or any other application forms the most important social data was your name and physical address (residential LR No, the Road and estate). The landlords were required by the law to keep a database on their foreigner tenants and were required to share it with the immigration. This way the government knew who was staying where and when they needed you they came for you at any time.

(c) If foreigners sought asylum as refugees then they remained in the refugee camp, no mingling with other people. If you were caught, and it was established that you have refugee status, repatriation right away.

(d) The Batswana fear and respect the law. It spares no one, not the rich, not the poor, not the mighty. It was applied equally to all irrespective of their social status.

(e) Botswana was and is still the least corrupt country in Africa. When it came to getting services which you needed by right, nobody claimed to be doing you any favour and everybody kept off from corruption. Under such circumstances, they ran a very efficient impartial public service and police force.

2. Commercially...
(a) A local could and would not sell any land or property to a foreigner. No law prohibited them from doing it, but this intention was to keep foreigners from owning anything in that country and consequently keeping them at bay.

(b) Any company that intended to buy any property had to have a majority stake owned by citizens. NB majority shareholder meant more than 70%.

(c) The labour laws were and are still very strict. No company irrespective of the owners (whether foreign or locally owned) was allowed to employ foreigners in posts whose job skills and expertise was locally available.

If we draw political paralells between Kenya and Botswana we have almost everything in common. I know most of us will still argue that our social structures are completely different but when it comes to matters security this goes beyond social structures. Security is a collective effort and responsibility between the citizenry and the government.

Let us sit back as Kenyans and do a little reflection. Socially and commercially, where have we succeeded in assisting the government of the day to give us the security that we need.

Let us discuss this objectively and soberly.


Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

Wear a steel helmet.

To many you are a sycophant, ''a Mundu wa Nyumba'' , a mountaineer!


He didn't ask you to clap or tell him what other people thinkabout him,He said
Quote:
Let us discuss this objectively and soberly
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
tycho
#15 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 2:07:36 PM
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The President is a citizen like any other first, then his office follows. And being the two are different dreams, then I know it's possible that the two worlds will clash. But that's his right as a human. It doesn't need my support. And neither does it require anyones support.

Can a dream recur in the same story, same character, same effect? If it's possible and the hint is, it's possible, then it takes a very 'long time'. Inspite of our adherence to images, everything is so fluid.

Understanding the forces pushing and pulling unconsciously, and our behavior is the key. It was the key in Botswana. For example, you mention respect for the rule of law, and a deep sense of community, as some of Botswana's characteristics (You mention some disruptive forces, and overlook the consolidative forces) but is the 'force field' the same as ours? How?
KulaRaha
#16 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 2:17:26 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Am wrote:
Baratang wrote:
Hi members.

I listened to the presidents speech on security and after deep thought I realised he knew what he was talking about. Although at some point he was angry he was right.

The reason why I am saying this is because i have seen what he is advising working elsewhere. Let me be specific.

I first set my foot in Botswana in 1986, during which time I was a very young man but adventurous, stayed until the year 2009 when I decided to come back to Kenya.

For all those years that I stayed in Botswana, the presidents Masire, Mogae and even Ian Khama rarely talked about security within and at the borders.

You see in the late 80s and early 90s, the political situation in Southern Africa was chaotic, South Africa was not good due to the apertheid regime and freedom struggle, in Namibia as people were fighting for independence and in Angola as the civil war ranged. In all the cases freedom fighters and other people were crossing over to Botswana as it was seen to be the safest. In early to mid 90s things in Zimbabwe started moving from worse to worst and the result more immigrants to Botswana.

All in all more than a half a million emigrants crossed over to Botswana through the gazetted border points and others unaccounted for through panya routes, but how did Botswana manage to maintain the safety of its citizen despite that huge number of foreigners/immigrants influx and being a country surrounded by politically unstable states at the time:

1.Socially
(a) The citizen responsibility. A local had to know who the neighbour was with no reminder from anybody. If a local noticed a neighbour who was hardly seen he/she reported it to the nearest police station and Immigration and the two bodies immediately swung into action.

(b) It was in law that each and every plot Land Registration (LR) No be conspicuously displayed at the point of entry (gates or doors). When you filled any forms be it employment, utilities or any other application forms the most important social data was your name and physical address (residential LR No, the Road and estate). The landlords were required by the law to keep a database on their foreigner tenants and were required to share it with the immigration. This way the government knew who was staying where and when they needed you they came for you at any time.

(c) If foreigners sought asylum as refugees then they remained in the refugee camp, no mingling with other people. If you were caught, and it was established that you have refugee status, repatriation right away.

(d) The Batswana fear and respect the law. It spares no one, not the rich, not the poor, not the mighty. It was applied equally to all irrespective of their social status.

(e) Botswana was and is still the least corrupt country in Africa. When it came to getting services which you needed by right, nobody claimed to be doing you any favour and everybody kept off from corruption. Under such circumstances, they ran a very efficient impartial public service and police force.

2. Commercially...
(a) A local could and would not sell any land or property to a foreigner. No law prohibited them from doing it, but this intention was to keep foreigners from owning anything in that country and consequently keeping them at bay.

(b) Any company that intended to buy any property had to have a majority stake owned by citizens. NB majority shareholder meant more than 70%.

(c) The labour laws were and are still very strict. No company irrespective of the owners (whether foreign or locally owned) was allowed to employ foreigners in posts whose job skills and expertise was locally available.

If we draw political paralells between Kenya and Botswana we have almost everything in common. I know most of us will still argue that our social structures are completely different but when it comes to matters security this goes beyond social structures. Security is a collective effort and responsibility between the citizenry and the government.

Let us sit back as Kenyans and do a little reflection. Socially and commercially, where have we succeeded in assisting the government of the day to give us the security that we need.

Let us discuss this objectively and soberly.


Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

Wear a steel helmet.

To many you are a sycophant, ''a Mundu wa Nyumba'' , a mountaineer!


He didn't ask you to clap or tell him what other people thinkabout him,He said
Quote:
Let us discuss this objectively and soberly


Sycophants clap a lot and often. Maybe it was a reflex action.

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Obi 1 Kanobi
#17 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 2:19:33 PM
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Baratang wrote:
Hi members.

I listened to the presidents speech on security and after deep thought I realised he knew what he was talking about. Although at some point he was angry he was right.

The reason why I am saying this is because i have seen what he is advising working elsewhere. Let me be specific.

I first set my foot in Botswana in 1986, during which time I was a very young man but adventurous, stayed until the year 2009 when I decided to come back to Kenya.

For all those years that I stayed in Botswana, the presidents Masire, Mogae and even Ian Khama rarely talked about security within and at the borders.

You see in the late 80s and early 90s, the political situation in Southern Africa was chaotic, South Africa was not good due to the apertheid regime and freedom struggle, in Namibia as people were fighting for independence and in Angola as the civil war ranged. In all the cases freedom fighters and other people were crossing over to Botswana as it was seen to be the safest. In early to mid 90s things in Zimbabwe started moving from worse to worst and the result more immigrants to Botswana.

All in all more than a half a million emigrants crossed over to Botswana through the gazetted border points and others unaccounted for through panya routes, but how did Botswana manage to maintain the safety of its citizen despite that huge number of foreigners/immigrants influx and being a country surrounded by politically unstable states at the time:

1.Socially
(a) The citizen responsibility. A local had to know who the neighbour was with no reminder from anybody. If a local noticed a neighbour who was hardly seen he/she reported it to the nearest police station and Immigration and the two bodies immediately swung into action.

(b) It was in law that each and every plot Land Registration (LR) No be conspicuously displayed at the point of entry (gates or doors). When you filled any forms be it employment, utilities or any other application forms the most important social data was your name and physical address (residential LR No, the Road and estate). The landlords were required by the law to keep a database on their foreigner tenants and were required to share it with the immigration. This way the government knew who was staying where and when they needed you they came for you at any time.

(c) If foreigners sought asylum as refugees then they remained in the refugee camp, no mingling with other people. If you were caught, and it was established that you have refugee status, repatriation right away.

(d) The Batswana fear and respect the law. It spares no one, not the rich, not the poor, not the mighty. It was applied equally to all irrespective of their social status.

(e) Botswana was and is still the least corrupt country in Africa. When it came to getting services which you needed by right, nobody claimed to be doing you any favour and everybody kept off from corruption. Under such circumstances, they ran a very efficient impartial public service and police force.

2. Commercially...
(a) A local could and would not sell any land or property to a foreigner. No law prohibited them from doing it, but this intention was to keep foreigners from owning anything in that country and consequently keeping them at bay.

(b) Any company that intended to buy any property had to have a majority stake owned by citizens. NB majority shareholder meant more than 70%.

(c) The labour laws were and are still very strict. No company irrespective of the owners (whether foreign or locally owned) was allowed to employ foreigners in posts whose job skills and expertise was locally available.

If we draw political paralells between Kenya and Botswana we have almost everything in common. I know most of us will still argue that our social structures are completely different but when it comes to matters security this goes beyond social structures. Security is a collective effort and responsibility between the citizenry and the government.

Let us sit back as Kenyans and do a little reflection. Socially and commercially, where have we succeeded in assisting the government of the day to give us the security that we need.

Let us discuss this objectively and soberly.


Since I don't expect any Kenyan to spend so much time writing the bull I am reading above, my conclusion is that you are a hired pen. Hope you got well paid.
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alma
#18 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 2:30:49 PM
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Aiii Obi 1, feel sorry for the guy. They spent the whole night coming up with hashtags and talking points. Hawajalala kuwa na huruma.

Kularaha, Swenani, Am is not a psychophant. He just feels the need to mention RAO even when he's peeing. I hear its an urge that's very hard to get rid off.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Am
#19 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 2:48:10 PM
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Joined: 2/21/2012
Posts: 1,739
Swenani wrote:
Am wrote:
Baratang wrote:
Hi members.

I listened to the presidents speech on security and after deep thought I realised he knew what he was talking about. Although at some point he was angry he was right.

The reason why I am saying this is because i have seen what he is advising working elsewhere. Let me be specific.

I first set my foot in Botswana in 1986, during which time I was a very young man but adventurous, stayed until the year 2009 when I decided to come back to Kenya.

For all those years that I stayed in Botswana, the presidents Masire, Mogae and even Ian Khama rarely talked about security within and at the borders.

You see in the late 80s and early 90s, the political situation in Southern Africa was chaotic, South Africa was not good due to the apertheid regime and freedom struggle, in Namibia as people were fighting for independence and in Angola as the civil war ranged. In all the cases freedom fighters and other people were crossing over to Botswana as it was seen to be the safest. In early to mid 90s things in Zimbabwe started moving from worse to worst and the result more immigrants to Botswana.

All in all more than a half a million emigrants crossed over to Botswana through the gazetted border points and others unaccounted for through panya routes, but how did Botswana manage to maintain the safety of its citizen despite that huge number of foreigners/immigrants influx and being a country surrounded by politically unstable states at the time:

1.Socially
(a) The citizen responsibility. A local had to know who the neighbour was with no reminder from anybody. If a local noticed a neighbour who was hardly seen he/she reported it to the nearest police station and Immigration and the two bodies immediately swung into action.

(b) It was in law that each and every plot Land Registration (LR) No be conspicuously displayed at the point of entry (gates or doors). When you filled any forms be it employment, utilities or any other application forms the most important social data was your name and physical address (residential LR No, the Road and estate). The landlords were required by the law to keep a database on their foreigner tenants and were required to share it with the immigration. This way the government knew who was staying where and when they needed you they came for you at any time.

(c) If foreigners sought asylum as refugees then they remained in the refugee camp, no mingling with other people. If you were caught, and it was established that you have refugee status, repatriation right away.

(d) The Batswana fear and respect the law. It spares no one, not the rich, not the poor, not the mighty. It was applied equally to all irrespective of their social status.

(e) Botswana was and is still the least corrupt country in Africa. When it came to getting services which you needed by right, nobody claimed to be doing you any favour and everybody kept off from corruption. Under such circumstances, they ran a very efficient impartial public service and police force.

2. Commercially...
(a) A local could and would not sell any land or property to a foreigner. No law prohibited them from doing it, but this intention was to keep foreigners from owning anything in that country and consequently keeping them at bay.

(b) Any company that intended to buy any property had to have a majority stake owned by citizens. NB majority shareholder meant more than 70%.

(c) The labour laws were and are still very strict. No company irrespective of the owners (whether foreign or locally owned) was allowed to employ foreigners in posts whose job skills and expertise was locally available.

If we draw political paralells between Kenya and Botswana we have almost everything in common. I know most of us will still argue that our social structures are completely different but when it comes to matters security this goes beyond social structures. Security is a collective effort and responsibility between the citizenry and the government.

Let us sit back as Kenyans and do a little reflection. Socially and commercially, where have we succeeded in assisting the government of the day to give us the security that we need.

Let us discuss this objectively and soberly.


Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

Wear a steel helmet.

To many you are a sycophant, ''a Mundu wa Nyumba'' , a mountaineer!


He didn't ask you to clap or tell him what other people thinkabout him,He said
Quote:
Let us discuss this objectively and soberly


Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
He Didn't ask you to CORRECT Others. He said ''Let us discuss this objectively and soberly''
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
streetwise
#20 Posted : Friday, November 28, 2014 2:52:15 PM
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I hear a lot about nyumba kumi..i.e. know your neighbour and want to ask who said i do not know my neighbour. I am sure this is the same for many Kenyans.

The question is when you report to the police and the police tell the guy you are the one who reported what happens to you.

Like I said elsewhere the problem is BIG and it is not neccesarily with the citizens.

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