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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:ecstacy wrote:Please be informed the context UK gave the statement was at the launch of a campaign against gender violence and FGM.
Weren't Wazuans ALSO calling out the men watching and recording women as they are stripped and assaulted?
UK alludes to the same, the media frame it as per declining sales and here we are going at each others throats.
His communications team should have anticipated this though and advised caution given the gullible media audience which is usually quick fire (slow think). Wewe you can't compare the remarks of UK to those of wazuans! You can only compare his remarks with Alai' s remarks of blaming the victim for wearing a short dress. Please stop saying security starts with me, what exactly are we (as citizens) supposed to do? Please be specific. The citizen should know that he bears the responsibility of his freedom on his own, and not to transfer any of this responsibility to any other entity.
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ecstacy wrote:Swenani wrote:ecstacy wrote:Please be informed the context UK gave the statement was at the launch of a campaign against gender violence and FGM.
Weren't Wazuans ALSO calling out the men watching and recording women as they are stripped and assaulted?
UK alludes to the same, the media frame it as per declining sales and here we are going at each others throats.
His communications team should have anticipated this though and advised caution given the gullible media audience which is usually quick fire (slow think). Wewe you can't compare the remarks of UK to those of wazuans! You can only compare his remarks with Alai' s remarks of blaming the victim for wearing a short dress. Please stop saying security starts with me, what exactly are we (as citizens) supposed to do? Please be specific. You read this situation wrong. UK is constitutionally responsible for upholding the constitution which gives you the right to live, work and invest safely anywhere in this nation. He is sworn to do so. Questions are duly his when it comes to Primary responsibility. Agreed? Still waiting for an answer, See highlighted part above If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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alma wrote:Am you go all semantics with us. We may understand at least we can read.
But what about the common man. What did he/she hear? He heard the Commander in Chief ask the mother of a 3yr old child who was raped, "wewe ulikuwa wapi?"
Spin that for as long as you wish but below are some of the consequences.
This is the beginning of anarchy. When the Head of State gives up on security and blames the victims just as they are victimized when they go to a policeman, then we have a serious problem.
It wasn't funny.
He can't tweet with a socialite then come back after 28 people were shot in the head then blame the people who voted for him.
Lakini if you think that's how to win elections in 2017, keep it up. Tweet more pics, wear more army fatigues and keep on blaming the stupid native who's getting shot by al-shabab and being raped in matatus.
@Alma these Comments troubles my heart. Where did the president ask this question and was he specifically referring to the Mother?? Really?? Why would you want to generalize issues this way No one denies that the timing for some of the comments was not right, but again as someone said lets not forget the gathering that he was addressing and what the Function was. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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I just wish this school of thought could be clarified. Security is my responsibility. I agree. What we seem not to agree is on how....So the proponents of security being my responsibility should just put it in point form how I have not met my responsibilities. As in directly...In point form maybe(Even the constitution states my responsibilities in point form). To help out, you may use the below scenarios to drive the point home. 1. What could those Westgate victims who died have done to ensure they didn't die? 2. What could the Mpeketoni people done? 3. What was the Mandera teachers' failure? 4. Its Uhuru's responsibility to ensure he is safe(In his personal capacity as a Kenyan). How comes he walks around with a ring of security guards paid by us? What has he done personally to ensure he is safe? Should we also hire police to man our women on the streets so that they are not assaulted? 5. What did the Gikomba guys who were busy selling their wares fail to do? Lets be specific. I want to know what I should have done that I did not do to prevent the deaths; and I will start doing it today.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Am wrote:alma wrote:Am you go all semantics with us. We may understand at least we can read.
But what about the common man. What did he/she hear? He heard the Commander in Chief ask the mother of a 3yr old child who was raped, "wewe ulikuwa wapi?"
Spin that for as long as you wish but below are some of the consequences.
This is the beginning of anarchy. When the Head of State gives up on security and blames the victims just as they are victimized when they go to a policeman, then we have a serious problem.
It wasn't funny.
He can't tweet with a socialite then come back after 28 people were shot in the head then blame the people who voted for him.
Lakini if you think that's how to win elections in 2017, keep it up. Tweet more pics, wear more army fatigues and keep on blaming the stupid native who's getting shot by al-shabab and being raped in matatus.
@Alma these Comments troubles my heart. Where did the president ask this question and was he specifically referring to the Mother?? Really?? Why would you want to generalize issues this way No one denies that the timing for some of the comments was not right, but again as someone said lets not forget the gathering that he was addressing and what the Function was. @Am, lets agree. Kamwana messed up. He was drunk maybe(he looked so), or could have been the jet lag. That is why its usually dangerous to talk much when angry. You may say things and regret. Mtu akikosea, anaombanga msamaha anasamehewa. Hata Kiraitu once messed and laughed, only for him to come back and apologize. You see, if someone has been raped, even if they were walking in a dark street at night, you can't go asking them "What was in your mind when you passed there? What were you thinking?" especially when they have not healed. Instead you console and see how they can get help. Listen to this....
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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washiku wrote:I just wish this school of thought could be clarified. Security is my responsibility. I agree. What we seem not to agree is on how....So the proponents of security being my responsibility should just put it in point form how I have not met my responsibilities. As in directly...In point form maybe(Even the constitution states my responsibilities in point form). To help out, you may use the below scenarios to drive the point home.
1. What could those Westgate victims who died have done to ensure they didn't die?
2. What could the Mpeketoni people done?
3. What was the Mandera teachers' failure?
4. Its Uhuru's responsibility to ensure he is safe(In his personal capacity as a Kenyan). How comes he walks around with a ring of security guards paid by us? What has he done personally to ensure he is safe? Should we also hire police to man our women on the streets so that they are not assaulted?
5. What did the Gikomba guys who were busy selling their wares fail to do?
Lets be specific. I want to know what I should have done that I did not do to prevent the deaths; and I will start doing it today. Good luck getting an answer! But Maybe @Am will respond Users browsing this topic: Am, Guest (6), Ngong, streetwise, Swenani, tycho, washiku If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Washiku, here's a 'to do' list.
1. Know your self
2. Have an active adaptive program that can create and use symbols as needed
3. Engage others using 1 and 2
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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@Am which comments trouble you? I was just being a bit nice with my rephrasing. But if you want the full statement verbatim, here you go. "We wewe ambaye ulimuacha na huyo, ulimuacha akifanya nini?" Is that better Am? More specific for you? Did I stop generalizing? Am I don't know of any woman who has not been offended by that video. Hata mmoja. And the women I know voted Kamwana damu. Or now do you want to turn the conversation from what Kamwana said to what others said Kamwana said? Good luck spinning that one too. By the way, Murkomen agrees with everything that every wazuan who is shocked about that video is saying Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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@Alma, those MPs should also stop lamenting like us on social media. Wamenibore sasa. They should just go to the parliament and fire those that they can. Maybe that will send the message to the right people. 
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