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Muriel wrote:Kratos wrote:Difference in opinion should never be taken to be lack of understanding.
Perhaps someone who has put it better than me.
Kratos, Are you not taking difference of opinion as a lack of understanding? Why should anyone put anything better than you? Is it not your duty? Why shift that responsibility to someone who 'puts it better than me'? My point here is maybe i have not explained well enough because if you see the responses to my points they're full of misinterpretation and conjecture either deliberate or otherwise. Anyway as with all group dynamics this is expected
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Nandwa wrote:Kratos wrote:Swenani wrote:Nandwa wrote:Citizens report yields nothing! Political will and focused (motivated) security personne is everythinglQuote:Mandera Governor Ali Roba had warned security officers about the threat of terrorism ahead of Saturday’s bus attack that left 28 people dead.
In an interview with the Nation on Tuesday, Mr Roba said he was surprised to learn that a military base that had been established at Arabiya had been removed just weeks before the attack.
“We had shared reports from pastoralists of movement of armed groups and terror cells along the border,” Mr Roba said after accompanying Head of Public Service Joseph Kinyua to Mandera.
He said pastoralists had reported seeing between 30 and 40 armed persons in the region days before the attack.
“Generally, they were moving in large numbers,” said Mr Roba. According to him, the decision to remove the military base was ill-advised.
Kratos wants the citizens to do more, Maybe arm themselvesand fight alshabab, volunteer to work at police station to be picking calls,fuel police cars,set up communication linesBy the way, why is it that we waste resources in the security sector? Why cant we have the police officers who enter details in OB be posted to the field and be replaced by civilians? why should you train an army personnel only to deploy him to man the AFCO shops or send him in the kitchen?Why should we have a police officer/army officer in a radio room? etc Where did i say that ama that's your level of understanding? Instead of focusing on the side issues, could you please acknowledge that citizens did their bit but the authorities failed miserably as usual! @kratos, I think problem is that you take people's opinions as lack of understanding, and that your understanding is superior. We've varied opinions and that should be respected.
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Kratos wrote:Swenani wrote:Nandwa wrote:Citizens report yields nothing! Political will and focused (motivated) security personne is everythinglQuote:Mandera Governor Ali Roba had warned security officers about the threat of terrorism ahead of Saturday’s bus attack that left 28 people dead.
In an interview with the Nation on Tuesday, Mr Roba said he was surprised to learn that a military base that had been established at Arabiya had been removed just weeks before the attack.
“We had shared reports from pastoralists of movement of armed groups and terror cells along the border,” Mr Roba said after accompanying Head of Public Service Joseph Kinyua to Mandera.
He said pastoralists had reported seeing between 30 and 40 armed persons in the region days before the attack.
“Generally, they were moving in large numbers,” said Mr Roba. According to him, the decision to remove the military base was ill-advised.
Kratos wants the citizens to do more, Maybe arm themselvesand fight alshabab, volunteer to work at police station to be picking calls,fuel police cars,set up communication linesBy the way, why is it that we waste resources in the security sector? Why cant we have the police officers who enter details in OB be posted to the field and be replaced by civilians? why should you train an army personnel only to deploy him to man the AFCO shops or send him in the kitchen?Why should we have a police officer/army officer in a radio room? etc Where did i say that ama that's your level of understanding? you did it when you asked washiku to do the work of whichever personnel in the police service is supposed to ensure that the communication channels are open (washiku had called that person the operations guy). and you were pretty clear on that, using it to show how he was not doing his part in security - whatever that means to you. got it and have reproduced it here below (in red,underlined and bolded): Kratos wrote:washiku wrote:Kratos wrote:washiku wrote:Kratos wrote:washiku wrote:Kratos wrote:Washiku, wachana na akina Moha, call a few of those numbers to confirm for us. OCPD IJARA 046-62006- Response: The number has been changed. True caller shows Mwangangi Deputy
MERU CENTRAL
OCPD OFFICE 064- 30718: Number not going through.
EASTERN PROVINCE
KITUI DIVISIONAL HQS 222064: Number you have dialed is not in service.
KIAMBU DIVISION
HOTLINE 06622111: Sorry the number you have dialed is not in service.Nimechoka kujaribu Kratos. Which one is working? Remember these are emergency numbers, numbers that should be at people's finger tips. Have you tried any yourself? My point here was about you finding out for yourself and not waiting to be told by Moha which numbers are working or not. Now i want you to go further with that information you have that those numbers are not working, as a tax paying citizen email Kenya police CC nationmedia, statehouse, substandard, the people, statehouse.gov etc and let them know their numbers are not working. That is how responsible citizenship starts and we should all follow suit. By the way I wanted to do that...I wanted to check the the police address. I found the website is down. All in all, I would appreciate if you realize; my friend, that this is not really my job, otherwise the operation guy at police hq should be replaced with me. Exactly what i wanted to bring out. Security is not your job. Sadly that's how many Kenyans think. Security starts with each one of us! But surely there is a reason why we all dont work at Vigilance house...That is why someone sits in that office and draws a salary. Further, I did my part. I was ready to use my internet and my time to inform them that their numbers are not working. But I am totally in darkness on how to do that. The only tweet I ever did about it was never replied to. My job as a citizen is to inform them so that they act. I hope you dont expect me to set up the communication lines for them, do you?
Why do we demand so little of our public servants? Am sorry Washiku but you can't wriggle out of this one. If you are prepared to set high standards for our security apparatus you should also be prepared that they would expect more from you. Again, we are not talking about a vehicle driven badly on the road that you're reporting to NTSA or whoever, we are talking about how to combat TERRORISM. Again its not about us VS them, its ALL OF US! It's about our attitude and willingness to engage TOGETHER!
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Kratos wrote:Swenani wrote:Nandwa wrote:Citizens report yields nothing! Political will and focused (motivated) security personne is everythinglQuote:Mandera Governor Ali Roba had warned security officers about the threat of terrorism ahead of Saturday’s bus attack that left 28 people dead.
In an interview with the Nation on Tuesday, Mr Roba said he was surprised to learn that a military base that had been established at Arabiya had been removed just weeks before the attack.
“We had shared reports from pastoralists of movement of armed groups and terror cells along the border,” Mr Roba said after accompanying Head of Public Service Joseph Kinyua to Mandera.
He said pastoralists had reported seeing between 30 and 40 armed persons in the region days before the attack.
“Generally, they were moving in large numbers,” said Mr Roba. According to him, the decision to remove the military base was ill-advised.
Kratos wants the citizens to do more, Maybe arm themselvesand fight alshabab, volunteer to work at police station to be picking calls,fuel police cars,set up communication linesBy the way, why is it that we waste resources in the security sector? Why cant we have the police officers who enter details in OB be posted to the field and be replaced by civilians? why should you train an army personnel only to deploy him to man the AFCO shops or send him in the kitchen?Why should we have a police officer/army officer in a radio room? etc Where did i say that ama that's your level of understanding? There is something called expressed and implied meaning,Ask @Maka for more info Kratos wrote:washiku wrote:Kratos wrote:washiku wrote:Kratos wrote:washiku wrote:Kratos wrote:Washiku, wachana na akina Moha, call a few of those numbers to confirm for us. OCPD IJARA 046-62006- Response: The number has been changed. True caller shows Mwangangi Deputy
MERU CENTRAL
OCPD OFFICE 064- 30718: Number not going through.
EASTERN PROVINCE
KITUI DIVISIONAL HQS 222064: Number you have dialed is not in service.
KIAMBU DIVISION
HOTLINE 06622111: Sorry the number you have dialed is not in service.Nimechoka kujaribu Kratos. Which one is working? Remember these are emergency numbers, numbers that should be at people's finger tips. Have you tried any yourself? My point here was about you finding out for yourself and not waiting to be told by Moha which numbers are working or not. Now i want you to go further with that information you have that those numbers are not working, as a tax paying citizen email Kenya police CC nationmedia, statehouse, substandard, the people, statehouse.gov etc and let them know their numbers are not working. That is how responsible citizenship starts and we should all follow suit. By the way I wanted to do that...I wanted to check the the police address. I found the website is down. All in all, I would appreciate if you realize; my friend, that this is not really my job, otherwise the operation guy at police hq should be replaced with me. Exactly what i wanted to bring out. Security is not your job. Sadly that's how many Kenyans think. Security starts with each one of us! But surely there is a reason why we all dont work at Vigilance house...That is why someone sits in that office and draws a salary. Further, I did my part. I was ready to use my internet and my time to inform them that their numbers are not working. But I am totally in darkness on how to do that. The only tweet I ever did about it was never replied to. My job as a citizen is to inform them so that they act. I hope you dont expect me to set up the communication lines for them, do you? Why do we demand so little of our public servants? Am sorry Washiku but you can't wriggle out of this one. If you are prepared to set high standards for our security apparatus you should also be prepared that they would expect more from you. Again, we are not talking about a vehicle driven badly on the road that you're reporting to NTSA or whoever, we are talking about how to combat TERRORISM. Again its not about us VS them, its ALL OF US! It's about our attitude and willingness to engage TOGETHER! How do you want them to participate? Maybe I'm not sharp enough! Kratos wrote:McReggae wrote:@Washiku achana na @Kratos, he an apologist to the garment's failures just like the terrorist sympathizers we talk about every other day!!!!!! Sadly if you have a difference of opinion on how things can and should work you get labeled, Isorait. Unfortunately when all these people have been fired, replaced, others elected, we will still have terrorists and i will not come here to celebrate and say i told you so, but i will come here to grieve with you in unison. If you followed my posts on this thread and were sharp enough you will realise am not defending anyone but only asking for the citizens to wake up and participate and that is how i think this war will be won.
Giving information which is ignored by the security apparatus is not being proactive?What else should the citizens do? Kratos wrote:McReggae wrote:Kratos wrote:McReggae wrote:Kratos wrote:McReggae wrote:@Washiku achana na @Kratos, he an apologist to the garment's failures just like the terrorist sympathizers we talk about every other day!!!!!! Sadly if you have a difference of opinion on how things can and should work you get labeled, Isorait. Unfortunately when all these people have been fired, replaced, others elected, we will still have terrorists and i will not come here to celebrate and say i told you so, but i will come here to grieve with you in unison. If you follow my posts on this thread and were sharp enough you will realise am not defending the government or police but only asking for the citizens to wake up and participate and that is how i think this war will be won.  I see I'm now not sharp enough! In your your sharpness boss, what we are saying is that the citizen will feel the need to participate when the authority fed on the taxpayers money do or are seen to be doing nothing, otherwise I wonder why you wanna label @Alphadoti a sympathizer yet feel bad when you are labeled a garment apologist, according to you everything is wrong with the citizens who are getting killed like chicken, jeez, what a warped reasoning for a sharp guys as you call yourself!!!! The citizen does not have to feel the need to participate, he should automatically do so because one day it could be his family his friends or himself that he could be saving. Maybe you need to go to the beginning of this thread and see this kiash wrote:AlphDoti wrote:This is a sad case.
1. I condemn the police for raiding places of worship blindly, killing one youth
2. I condemn the retaliation attack the next night by youth killing innocent people
3. I condemn this morning's attack of travelers in Mandera.
We should all change our attitude towards, terrorism and crime. We need to make each one of us a partner in this. The moment we treat a criminal as a criminal and not a religious criminal, then we can be able to move forward. The moment we stop profiling people based on their religion, is when we will buy in real security improvements. why do you condemn ? Kwani mosques are lodgings nowadays i read the raids were done at 3:am what were worshippers doing in the mosque at the time. ama there are keshas siku hizi And the crude weapons were supposed to be for decoration or what? @ Alph you are just like Hassan Omar condemning the raids. These are just terrorist dens but u wonder for how long non muslims will pay .First Wgate then lamu and now this , you kill 28 to revenge 1 person the life of that one person must have been really dear. Alphadoti does not want raids done in the mosques which harbour terrorists and for that i have no apologies to make in calling him a sympathizer. Nothing different with you when throughout the thread you only see the problem with the victims when somebody is paid to do his work!!!! Continue twisting facts, if calling upon Kenyans to be more proactive in the fight against terror is being a government apologist let it be so. One thing for sure and i stand by it is, that this war will not be won by changing personnel but by adopting a unified approach. The reason why people are calling for the resignation of the two is because of lack/poor leadership. "I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion-Alexander the Great Tafakari hayo If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Even the president's men are telling him so...
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Kratos is probably looking for talking points to go and convince his bosses why he should not be fired. I was unfortunate enough to watch Kenyan TV last night. It was a heart wrenching affair. There he was, Public Service chairman or whatever they call him, going all the way to Mandera to talk to Kenyans who don't want to stay there. Kenyans who are tired of government promises about security. The PS telling them that they should stay, otherwise who will teach the children? How do you teach children if you are beheaded? I was glad to see Kenyans aren't swallowing all this PR gov't is throwing at them anymore. When the teacher said that first they go home, then they will come back when they have evidence of the security this gov't keeps yapping about. You know what was the most annoying thing about all this bullshit. These Kenyans who have sacrificed their lives to live in Mandera for the gov't have been told that they can't even use buses anymore just incase they are beheaded since they aren't muslims. What did the PS do after all that PR exercise? He told them the gov't will increase security, they can stay at the airport if they wished, then took a plane back to Kenya (no pun intended) Tumechoka Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Hello My Fellow Wazuans.
I am sorry i am late for this very important meeting, but as you well know i had to attend a very crucial meetings with some of our potential investors in the very prestigious Dubai Formula 1 Grand Prix racing.
During my visit i heard that many Kenyans died in Mandera due to a criminal gang. I say pole to their families for their loss.
Now to get to the point .
I have heard a lot of complaints and threats that i should fire ole Lenku.
Let me stay from the start that this is not going to happen.
Ole Lenku is a learned man, well educated in the Business of Management, with long experience. He is a good Manager and able to listen and understand very well, commands given to him.
He knows who is Boss and i am the Boss!
Another good characteristic of his which is not well known is his ability not to break. (unlike other people i know). He will not break under any circumstances even peculiar ones like the recent one at west-gate where he ably represented the Government without breaking his cool even after getting up-to date information from parallel universes other than our own.
Lastly Ole Lenku is trustworthy; and does not do anything without consulting me and defers to my authority like a true career civil servant who knows exactly where his bread is buttered and how not to upset the apple cart. This is a truly rare ability and should be nurtured.
If you have a problem with Ole Lenku don't harrass the poor man but come to me. I am in charge.
Thank you and have a good day.
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KDF have pre-emptively taken out Al-Shabaab militants who were picked up by surveillance heading to Boni Forest to carry out revenge operations in the Lamu area following heavY losses experienced in Jilib town in southern Somalia.
KDF coming under the AMISOM hat has resulted in a re-energized Al Shabaab. Since the weekend slaughter in Mandera, KDF has since resumed more aggressive independent operations against Al-Shabaab.
Kudos KDF.
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ecstacy wrote:KDF have pre-emptively taken out Al-Shabaab militants who were picked up by surveillance heading to Boni Forest to carry out revenge operations in the Lamu area following heavY losses experienced in Jilib town in southern Somalia.
KDF coming under the AMISOM hat has resulted in a re-energized Al Shabaab. Since the weekend slaughter in Mandera, KDF has since resumed more aggressive independent operations against Al-Shabaab.
Kudos KDF.
Top Al-Shabaab commander Abu Hamza Alkeni has been reportedly killed.
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My last post on this issue. At the risk of exposing what I do for a living, I have worked in a number of countries where terrorism is rife and have interacted with the communities of families with known terrorists amongst them and what those communities and governments are doing to fight this vice. The challenges faced by those governments are similar to ours. Terror is a new kind of threat worldwide, without a textbook answer. For Kenya to be successful in this fight we must ask ourselves disturbing questions, we must sacrifice those amongst us who have no regard to the social fabric of the nation and the lives of Kenyans. My ideas may not be right but hey, they're not policy. IMHO the government has failed and the people are not doing enough.Period And no, I don't work for the government as some would like you to believe. This post I believe was meant to discuss on what the failures are and what should be done to solve the issue but has instead turned to mudslinging and misinterpretation. The reality is sooner or later we will have to ask the same questions am asking. Ni hayo tuu.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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