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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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@Kratos, I think you're; 1 oblivious of the Kenya security 2.ole lenku 3.kimaiyo If you remembermber what happened in mpeketoni, the police were informed of the attack, Guess what happened, the ocpd and Dcio went to malindi, what else would the citizens have done? What happened to the two? In mandera it is the same case, the county government claims yo have shared info with the central government two weeks ago, what happened? Yesterday, I was at pangani police station for a minor traffic offence, I met someone who came to report a robbery, His house was broken into and a gas cylinder, TV and home theatre stolen.He told the Police that he knows where the items have beensold too and heven wantedto aaccompany the police to th shop.Guess what he was told? What more should the citizens do if the security personnel are not responding to the information they get? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Difference in opinion should never be taken to be lack of understanding. Perhaps someone who has put it better than me. Quote:In the face of gross insecurity and murder most foul, I could not believe it when “holy” and “pious” professionals and politicians-cum-comedians took to the airwaves to criticise our security machinery.
To add insult to the national injury, our “celeb” media personalities raise simplistic arguments between questions not designed to help galvanise our nationhood so as to address what is clearly emerging as an existential threat.
But because our youth-dominated social media is full of sterile vitriol, our political class dastardly, religious institutions packed with deceit, and the civil society pathetic, we might never reconstitute our 42 ethnic royalties into a unified nation capable of commanding its energies into collective action to fight the threats facing our country. Quote:Even without a clue on the true nature of such acts, our odious opinion shapers, heads of religious bodies, politicians, and some media people take the opportunity to express half-baked opinions on how much our security forces have failed the country.
In societies where people strive to be decent, the massacre of innocent people brings everyone together into national outrage that translates into a collective effort to ensure that the dead are buried in dignity. Massacres make people to strive to restore the pride of nationhood as pangs of patriotism burn in their veins while “hotbloods” yearn for an opportunity to defend the defenceless.
It has not been so in our country. From the discourse seen in the mainstream and social media, every time murderous beasts kill Kenyans, rare vocabulary and high-sounding phrases are unearthed from inner recesses of the mind, not to bring us together but to be thrown on fellow Kenyans in uniform and their counterparts in the clandestine outfits. Quote:We need to put a stop to this recklessness and begin to understand our perilous situation as a country. The first thing to do is to understand the enemy. Even as we go after the Al-Shabaab murderers and shadowy killers in Kapedo, we must look behind their backs to see the other face of the enemy.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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alma wrote:2 years who cares who's doing it? If we are still guessing who's doing it, tuna shida kubwa sana.
What should matter to this government is that it has to stop.
Even if Mickey Mouse and Mother Teresa (rest her soul) have ganged up, it just has to stop. Hiyo ingine ni details. I agree. Institutional failure of the police and of the NSC....making the police service independent in the katiba may have had the good intentions of curbing the Moi era abuse of power, but it has come to bite us in the a*s. 5 out 9 members of National Police Service Commission are cops (3 active, 2 retired). The law requires a 2/3 majority to get rid of the IG. Hapo ni kungoja Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Citizens report yields nothing! Political will and focused (motivated) security personne is everythinglQuote:Mandera Governor Ali Roba had warned security officers about the threat of terrorism ahead of Saturday’s bus attack that left 28 people dead.
In an interview with the Nation on Tuesday, Mr Roba said he was surprised to learn that a military base that had been established at Arabiya had been removed just weeks before the attack.
“We had shared reports from pastoralists of movement of armed groups and terror cells along the border,” Mr Roba said after accompanying Head of Public Service Joseph Kinyua to Mandera.
He said pastoralists had reported seeing between 30 and 40 armed persons in the region days before the attack.
“Generally, they were moving in large numbers,” said Mr Roba. According to him, the decision to remove the military base was ill-advised.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Nandwa wrote:Citizens report yields nothing! Political will and focused (motivated) security personne is everythinglQuote:Mandera Governor Ali Roba had warned security officers about the threat of terrorism ahead of Saturday’s bus attack that left 28 people dead.
In an interview with the Nation on Tuesday, Mr Roba said he was surprised to learn that a military base that had been established at Arabiya had been removed just weeks before the attack.
“We had shared reports from pastoralists of movement of armed groups and terror cells along the border,” Mr Roba said after accompanying Head of Public Service Joseph Kinyua to Mandera.
He said pastoralists had reported seeing between 30 and 40 armed persons in the region days before the attack.
“Generally, they were moving in large numbers,” said Mr Roba. According to him, the decision to remove the military base was ill-advised.
Kratos wants the citizens to do more, Maybe arm themselvesand fight alshabab, volunteer to work at police station to be picking calls,fuel police cars,set up communication lines By the way, why is it that we waste resources in the security sector? Why cant we have the police officers who enter details in OB be posted to the field and be replaced by civilians? why should you train an army personnel only to deploy him to man the AFCO shops or send him in the kitchen?Why should we have a police officer/army officer in a radio room? etc If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:McReggae wrote:If the presence of the shabaabs was know two weeks ago and not acted on, can we now look at who the beneficiaries are? Who has been the single beneficiary in all these internal attacks of the citizenry???? babu. He has reasons to keep bashing the government instead of offering solutions. Mutahi might just be right!! Just try and engage your brain further and report back kijana!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Kratos wrote:Difference in opinion should never be taken to be lack of understanding.
Perhaps someone who has put it better than me.
Kratos, Are you not taking difference of opinion as a lack of understanding? Why should anyone put anything better than you? Is it not your duty? Why shift that responsibility to someone who 'puts it better than me'?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Swenani wrote:Nandwa wrote:Citizens report yields nothing! Political will and focused (motivated) security personne is everythinglQuote:Mandera Governor Ali Roba had warned security officers about the threat of terrorism ahead of Saturday’s bus attack that left 28 people dead.
In an interview with the Nation on Tuesday, Mr Roba said he was surprised to learn that a military base that had been established at Arabiya had been removed just weeks before the attack.
“We had shared reports from pastoralists of movement of armed groups and terror cells along the border,” Mr Roba said after accompanying Head of Public Service Joseph Kinyua to Mandera.
He said pastoralists had reported seeing between 30 and 40 armed persons in the region days before the attack.
“Generally, they were moving in large numbers,” said Mr Roba. According to him, the decision to remove the military base was ill-advised.
Kratos wants the citizens to do more, Maybe arm themselvesand fight alshabab, volunteer to work at police station to be picking calls,fuel police cars,set up communication linesBy the way, why is it that we waste resources in the security sector? Why cant we have the police officers who enter details in OB be posted to the field and be replaced by civilians? why should you train an army personnel only to deploy him to man the AFCO shops or send him in the kitchen?Why should we have a police officer/army officer in a radio room? etc Where did i say that ama that's your level of understanding?
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Kratos wrote:Swenani wrote:Nandwa wrote:Citizens report yields nothing! Political will and focused (motivated) security personne is everythinglQuote:Mandera Governor Ali Roba had warned security officers about the threat of terrorism ahead of Saturday’s bus attack that left 28 people dead.
In an interview with the Nation on Tuesday, Mr Roba said he was surprised to learn that a military base that had been established at Arabiya had been removed just weeks before the attack.
“We had shared reports from pastoralists of movement of armed groups and terror cells along the border,” Mr Roba said after accompanying Head of Public Service Joseph Kinyua to Mandera.
He said pastoralists had reported seeing between 30 and 40 armed persons in the region days before the attack.
“Generally, they were moving in large numbers,” said Mr Roba. According to him, the decision to remove the military base was ill-advised.
Kratos wants the citizens to do more, Maybe arm themselvesand fight alshabab, volunteer to work at police station to be picking calls,fuel police cars,set up communication linesBy the way, why is it that we waste resources in the security sector? Why cant we have the police officers who enter details in OB be posted to the field and be replaced by civilians? why should you train an army personnel only to deploy him to man the AFCO shops or send him in the kitchen?Why should we have a police officer/army officer in a radio room? etc Where did i say that ama that's your level of understanding? Instead of focusing on the side issues, could you please acknowledge that citizens did their bit but the authorities failed miserably as usual! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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