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washiku wrote:Kratos wrote:washiku wrote:Kratos wrote:washiku wrote:Kratos wrote:Washiku, wachana na akina Moha, call a few of those numbers to confirm for us. OCPD IJARA 046-62006- Response: The number has been changed. True caller shows Mwangangi Deputy
MERU CENTRAL
OCPD OFFICE 064- 30718: Number not going through.
EASTERN PROVINCE
KITUI DIVISIONAL HQS 222064: Number you have dialed is not in service.
KIAMBU DIVISION
HOTLINE 06622111: Sorry the number you have dialed is not in service.Nimechoka kujaribu Kratos. Which one is working? Remember these are emergency numbers, numbers that should be at people's finger tips. Have you tried any yourself? My point here was about you finding out for yourself and not waiting to be told by Moha which numbers are working or not. Now i want you to go further with that information you have that those numbers are not working, as a tax paying citizen email Kenya police CC nationmedia, statehouse, substandard, the people, statehouse.gov etc and let them know their numbers are not working. That is how responsible citizenship starts and we should all follow suit. By the way I wanted to do that...I wanted to check the the police address. I found the website is down. All in all, I would appreciate if you realize; my friend, that this is not really my job, otherwise the operation guy at police hq should be replaced with me. Exactly what i wanted to bring out. Security is not your job. Sadly that's how many Kenyans think. Security starts with each one of us! But surely there is a reason why we all dont work at Vigilance house...That is why someone sits in that office and draws a salary. Further, I did my part. I was ready to use my internet and my time to inform them that their numbers are not working. But I am totally in darkness on how to do that. The only tweet I ever did about it was never replied to. My job as a citizen is to inform them so that they act. I hope you dont expect me to set up the communication lines for them, do you? Why do we demand so little of our public servants? Am sorry Washiku but you can't wriggle out of this one. If you are prepared to set high standards for our security apparatus you should also be prepared that they would expect more from you. Again, we are not talking about a vehicle driven badly on the road that you're reporting to NTSA or whoever, we are talking about how to combat TERRORISM. Again its not about us VS them, its ALL OF US! It's about our attitude and willingness to engage TOGETHER!
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Damn! What do people do when they report for work every morning in suits and ties? Scratch their balls and swing in their seats? I will never understand this. I was taught to be effective. Or is it because I have never worked for GoK?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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@Washiku achana na @Kratos, he an apologist to the garment's failures just like the terrorist sympathizers we talk about every other day!!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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McReggae wrote:@Washiku achana na @Kratos, he an apologist to the garment's failures just like the terrorist sympathizers we talk about every other day!!!!!! Sadly if you have a difference of opinion on how things can and should work you get labeled, Isorait. Unfortunately when all these people have been fired, replaced, others elected, we will still have terrorists and i will not come here to celebrate and say i told you so, but i will come here to grieve with you in unison. If you followed my posts on this thread and were sharp enough you will realise am not defending anyone but only asking for the citizens to wake up and participate and that is how i think this war will be won.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Kratos wrote:McReggae wrote:@Washiku achana na @Kratos, he an apologist to the garment's failures just like the terrorist sympathizers we talk about every other day!!!!!! Sadly if you have a difference of opinion on how things can and should work you get labeled, Isorait. Unfortunately when all these people have been fired, replaced, others elected, we will still have terrorists and i will not come here to celebrate and say i told you so, but i will come here to grieve with you in unison. If you follow my posts on this thread and were sharp enough you will realise am not defending the government or police but only asking for the citizens to wake up and participate and that is how i think this war will be won.  I see I'm now not sharp enough! In your your sharpness boss, what we are saying is that the citizen will feel the need to participate when the authority fed on the taxpayers money do or are seen to be doing nothing, otherwise I wonder why you wanna label @Alphadoti a sympathizer yet feel bad when you are labeled a garment apologist, according to you everything is wrong with the citizens who are getting killed like chicken, jeez, what a warped reasoning for a sharp guys as you call yourself!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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McReggae wrote:Kratos wrote:McReggae wrote:@Washiku achana na @Kratos, he an apologist to the garment's failures just like the terrorist sympathizers we talk about every other day!!!!!! Sadly if you have a difference of opinion on how things can and should work you get labeled, Isorait. Unfortunately when all these people have been fired, replaced, others elected, we will still have terrorists and i will not come here to celebrate and say i told you so, but i will come here to grieve with you in unison. If you follow my posts on this thread and were sharp enough you will realise am not defending the government or police but only asking for the citizens to wake up and participate and that is how i think this war will be won. I see I'm now not sharp enough! In your your sharpness boss, what we are saying is that the citizen will feel the need to participate when the authority fed on the taxpayers money do or are seen to be doing nothing, otherwise I wonder why you wanna label @Alphadoti a sympathizer yet feel bad when you are labeled a garment apologist, according to you everything is wrong with the citizens who are getting killed like chicken, jeez, what a warped reasoning for a sharp guys as you call yourself!!!! The citizen does not have to feel the need to participate, he should automatically do so because one day it could be his family his friends or himself that he could be saving. Maybe you need to go to the beginning of this thread and see this kiash wrote:AlphDoti wrote:This is a sad case.
1. I condemn the police for raiding places of worship blindly, killing one youth
2. I condemn the retaliation attack the next night by youth killing innocent people
3. I condemn this morning's attack of travelers in Mandera.
We should all change our attitude towards, terrorism and crime. We need to make each one of us a partner in this. The moment we treat a criminal as a criminal and not a religious criminal, then we can be able to move forward. The moment we stop profiling people based on their religion, is when we will buy in real security improvements. why do you condemn ? Kwani mosques are lodgings nowadays i read the raids were done at 3:am what were worshippers doing in the mosque at the time. ama there are keshas siku hizi And the crude weapons were supposed to be for decoration or what? @ Alph you are just like Hassan Omar condemning the raids. These are just terrorist dens but u wonder for how long non muslims will pay .First Wgate then lamu and now this , you kill 28 to revenge 1 person the life of that one person must have been really dear. Alphadoti does not want raids done in the mosques which harbour terrorists and for that i have no apologies to make in calling him a sympathizer.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Kratos wrote:McReggae wrote:Kratos wrote:McReggae wrote:@Washiku achana na @Kratos, he an apologist to the garment's failures just like the terrorist sympathizers we talk about every other day!!!!!! Sadly if you have a difference of opinion on how things can and should work you get labeled, Isorait. Unfortunately when all these people have been fired, replaced, others elected, we will still have terrorists and i will not come here to celebrate and say i told you so, but i will come here to grieve with you in unison. If you follow my posts on this thread and were sharp enough you will realise am not defending the government or police but only asking for the citizens to wake up and participate and that is how i think this war will be won. I see I'm now not sharp enough! In your your sharpness boss, what we are saying is that the citizen will feel the need to participate when the authority fed on the taxpayers money do or are seen to be doing nothing, otherwise I wonder why you wanna label @Alphadoti a sympathizer yet feel bad when you are labeled a garment apologist, according to you everything is wrong with the citizens who are getting killed like chicken, jeez, what a warped reasoning for a sharp guys as you call yourself!!!! The citizen does not have to feel the need to participate, he should automatically do so because one day it could be his family his friends or himself that he could be saving. Maybe you need to go to the beginning of this thread and see this kiash wrote:AlphDoti wrote:This is a sad case.
1. I condemn the police for raiding places of worship blindly, killing one youth
2. I condemn the retaliation attack the next night by youth killing innocent people
3. I condemn this morning's attack of travelers in Mandera.
We should all change our attitude towards, terrorism and crime. We need to make each one of us a partner in this. The moment we treat a criminal as a criminal and not a religious criminal, then we can be able to move forward. The moment we stop profiling people based on their religion, is when we will buy in real security improvements. why do you condemn ? Kwani mosques are lodgings nowadays i read the raids were done at 3:am what were worshippers doing in the mosque at the time. ama there are keshas siku hizi And the crude weapons were supposed to be for decoration or what? @ Alph you are just like Hassan Omar condemning the raids. These are just terrorist dens but u wonder for how long non muslims will pay .First Wgate then lamu and now this , you kill 28 to revenge 1 person the life of that one person must have been really dear. Alphadoti does not want raids done in the mosques which harbour terrorists and for that i have no apologies to make in calling him a sympathizer. Nothing different with you when throughout the thread you only see the problem with the victims when somebody is paid to do his work!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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If the presence of the shabaabs was know two weeks ago and not acted on, can we now look at who the beneficiaries are? Who has been the single beneficiary in all these internal attacks of the citizenry???? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:When the war against the al Shabaab was starting most of us here cheered and supported it, now our people have died and more will die, and seeing this we're all over crying. Don't we know the consequence of war is death? We took responsibility for all these deaths a long time ago.
Now some of us think that the war needs to be fought differently, even despite international conventions. Speak of aggravating issues. We are slowly besieging ourselves and one effect of a siege is cannibalism. Now we want to turn against each other in the name of ferreting collaborators. And sacking the 'incompetent'. The US defense secretary has been sacked over IS, what next? Same story.
We're just a bunch of noise makers killing time.
And your solution is? Mostly, all you do is pose questions. An answer, even a wrong one, is useful from time to time. You are a keyboard theorist, just like the rest of us -unless you have done something tangible in the real world, among people -which in your own conviction will help alleviate the problem. Have you done such? Enlighten us. But probably you will want to ask me to define : a) what is 'tangible' b) what is the 'real world' c) some other abstract/notional thing not in a and b that I might have missed @quicksand if I have a problem I work for its solution. The problem am solving now is that of trying to help without being asked to do so. Like now. This al Shabaab story isn't my problem in any way. If it's yours and you want my help, then know that resolving other people's illusions isn't my forte. Don't worry about the definitions of 'real' and the like.
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