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Shabaab suspects ambush bus near Mandera, kill 28
kiash
#121 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:44:47 AM
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washiku wrote:



How come there are no countries like Qatar, Kuwait,UAE on the list ? Seems like has always been the case, the poor and uneducated muslims always serve the purpose. The suicide bombers will always be the same and the big mouths doing the teachings will always be the same. At the end of the day, "Some let others die for them"
Kratos
#122 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:56:09 AM
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alma wrote:
Kratos I hope that you realise that your statement about collaborators and Muriel's statements about knowldgeable Guru are the problem.

It's very confused to be honest.

You see, over the weekend, at dawn, 28 Kenyans were killed. We are now on Tuesday, no one has been arrested.

That is what we mean by giving the public a sense of security. Someone, should have been arrested.

Not more PR stunts and News clips about turning stones to be unturned or something in that direction.

That's what we mean by security. Give us anything at all to prove to Kenyans that they are safe in a bus going to Mandera. Something, anything.

Not a selfie and not another tweet.

I dare you to tell your sister to go get the jobs that are now available in Mandera. If you are really honest tell me what the gov't has done for you lately to prove that it is safe for a Kenyan to work in Mandera. Do so without mentioning Nyumba Kumi and without the need of fake photos from 2012, a selfie or a red line being crossed.

I'm waiting.

In the meantime I remain yours trully, tired of stories just action.


Sometimes i like to view stuff from different perspectives, when you rightly put it that no one has been arrested i also look at it from the police point of view. How are they going to arrest "them". They need information from the public without which they would be chasing their own tails.
You are quick to dismiss nyumba kumi, why on earth would you do that. If it achieves its purpose of collecting information about those around you i think it may just work. We may not like it because of the implications on loss of privacy but which one is priority security or privacy in the light of terrorism.
By definition terrorism is UNLIKE all other crimes such that NO ONE can give you assurances that it will not happen. Even in the developed world no one gives you that assurance.
We need to find the balance as Kenyans between being problem identifiers and being problem solvers. Identifying problems just for the sake of identifying them is of no good use.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
alma
#123 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:06:33 AM
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Kratos I'm always on your case because sometimes you talk like a government hack.

Ati police arrest who?

Exactly what are you saying so that I can understand. Say it slowly please. The only people I know who are arrested quickly in this country are those who tweet,facebook or wazua, those inside a mosque at wrong periods and if you happen not to have 100 bob when walking at night. Let's not argue about the facts above.

People killed in Baragoi, nothing. People killed in Lamu, nothing. People killed in Turkana, nothing. People killed at the Mall, nothing. People Killed in Mandera, nothing.

This idea of blaming victims has been used very well by Robert Alai blaming women for wearing minis. It doesn't wash.

I don't pay my taxes to pay Alphdotis salary. I pay Ole Lenku, Kimaiyo and President Uhuru Kenyatta.

If what they are being paid is not enough, then they should step aside and let someone who can take care of security do so.

That is what we are saying.

No more statements.

They either bring to book those that kill Kenyans, or they may as well go home because obviously they are not helping anyone and more Kenyans are at risk of being killed.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
tycho
#124 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:11:11 AM
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When the war against the al Shabaab was starting most of us here cheered and supported it, now our people have died and more will die, and seeing this we're all over crying. Don't we know the consequence of war is death? We took responsibility for all these deaths a long time ago.

Now some of us think that the war needs to be fought differently, even despite international conventions. Speak of aggravating issues. We are slowly besieging ourselves and one effect of a siege is cannibalism. Now we want to turn against each other in the name of ferreting collaborators. And sacking the 'incompetent'. The US defense secretary has been sacked over IS, what next? Same story.

We're just a bunch of noise makers killing time.
Kratos
#125 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:18:16 AM
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alma wrote:
Kratos I'm always on your case because sometimes you talk like a government hack.

Ati police arrest who?

Exactly what are you saying so that I can understand. Say it slowly please. The only people I know who are arrested quickly in this country are those who tweet,facebook or wazua, those inside a mosque at wrong periods and if you happen not to have 100 bob when walking at night. Let's not argue about the facts above.

People killed in Baragoi, nothing. People killed in Lamu, nothing. People killed in Turkana, nothing. People killed at the Mall, nothing. People Killed in Mandera, nothing.

This idea of blaming victims has been used very well by Robert Alai blaming women for wearing minis. It doesn't wash.

I don't pay my taxes to pay Alphdotis salary. I pay Ole Lenku, Kimaiyo and President Uhuru Kenyatta.

If what they are being paid is not enough, then they should step aside and let someone who can take care of security do so.

That is what we are saying.

No more statements.

They either bring to book those that kill Kenyans, or they may as well go home because obviously they are not helping anyone and more Kenyans are at risk of being killed.


Take time to go through my posts in this thread and if you want you may actually get what am saying. Where have i blamed victims? All am saying is that we act as if the government and the people are from a different society which is actually not the case. What you're actually reinforcing is the tunaomba serikali mentality while my view is that WE as citizens can also help.
Alphadoti and his bunch of collaborators must be overjoyed with the protection you're giving them by absolving them of any wrong doing.

Whatever assurances you want will not come from any government in the world regardless of which individuals are in those positions: That is why its called TERRORISM.
Anyway seeing that my points are not valid with you whichever way I argue them I rest my case. Lets continue thinking the world is flat.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Angelica _ann
#126 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:19:52 AM
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When 'my' people were killed in Nyakach border clashes and nobody cared i said to heck let us kill each other in Kenya!

@Tycho says in an understandable language up there, this is just cry baby. It will die off until the next episode!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
alma
#127 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:23:36 AM
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tycho wrote:
When the war against the al Shabaab was starting most of us here cheered and supported it, now our people have died and more will die, and seeing this we're all over crying. Don't we know the consequence of war is death? We took responsibility for all these deaths a long time ago.

Now some of us think that the war needs to be fought differently, even despite international conventions. Speak of aggravating issues. We are slowly besieging ourselves and one effect of a siege is cannibalism. Now we want to turn against each other in the name of ferreting collaborators. And sacking the 'incompetent'. The US defense secretary has been sacked over IS, what next? Same story.

We're just a bunch of noise makers killing time.


You of all people should know when to use the words "we","me","I"

You can't expect people to keep quiet. In this conversation I respect Kratos. At least he has a solid point of view which to be honest makes some sense. I disagree with it because I think 2yrs is too long a time to give anyone time to settle.

You on the other hand are still looking for the kumbaya crowd. See no evil speak no evil.

Engage.

Meet here today. I've not slept lakini leo utanipata huko.



Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
tycho
#128 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:41:01 AM
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alma wrote:
tycho wrote:
When the war against the al Shabaab was starting most of us here cheered and supported it, now our people have died and more will die, and seeing this we're all over crying. Don't we know the consequence of war is death? We took responsibility for all these deaths a long time ago.

Now some of us think that the war needs to be fought differently, even despite international conventions. Speak of aggravating issues. We are slowly besieging ourselves and one effect of a siege is cannibalism. Now we want to turn against each other in the name of ferreting collaborators. And sacking the 'incompetent'. The US defense secretary has been sacked over IS, what next? Same story.

We're just a bunch of noise makers killing time.


You of all people should know when to use the words "we","me","I"

You can't expect people to keep quiet. In this conversation I respect Kratos. At least he has a solid point of view which to be honest makes some sense. I disagree with it because I think 2yrs is too long a time to give anyone time to settle.

You on the other hand are still looking for the kumbaya crowd. See no evil speak no evil.

Engage.

Meet here today. I've not slept lakini leo utanipata huko.





Alma, the question of evil has already been answered. By you. I'm not for a chorus as you and your 'occupy' friends want, in the name of 'engaging'.

I am for accepting my death and those of my loved ones, and for anyone else who may die with a clear mind. I have no use for illusions about 'security'.
alma
#129 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:50:00 AM
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Wewe Tycho endelea na clear mind yako. Some of us still don't understand what you say 9/10th of the time.

But don't just call people unclear minds because they have decided to say something about an issue that's burning them.

Just as we let you with your clear minds chat and post on wazua, please do let us whine and moan as we wish. As you type on wazua, I'll probably be clobbered by a cop. lol.

In the meantime, more unclear minds just getting too tired of this games.

Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
washiku
#130 Posted : Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:55:39 AM
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Kratos wrote:
alma wrote:
So what santuri is going to be played for Kenyans today?

It's all very nice shouting and screaming how Alphdoti and the so called homegrown terrorists are finishing Kenyans. Kweli you think this santuri has not been played before? It's like copy pasting from the republican party and removing the name Osama with Al-Shabaab.

The question today is

Are you safe?

Second question is

ok, seriously, like in seriously. As in really seriously, where is the President of Kenya when half the teachers in a a district are massacred?

Sometimes in life, PR and massive tweets by Ole Itumbi don't work. I actually have massive respect for the fellow. It's rather difficult trying to run a social media campaign when the leader of a country is persona non grata.

Can we stop wasting time talking about Alphdoti? He was not in Mandera and if he was and he's still posting on Wazua then you can see we have more serious problems in matters security than we had imagined before.

Kenyans are killed. Someone in gov't says, that the people who did it were killed. Only to find out later that this may not be 100% accurate.

In the meantime, the President. Anyone found him yet? Ole Lenku has drawn a red line now with green dots for emphasis. Al -Shabaab is still tweeting.

We are one Santuri has scratches on it. Let's get another one shall we?


So long as collaborators and sympathizers are among us it does not matter whether we remove kdf from somalia, change the security team or even elect a new president the script will not change. Don't kid yourself. While you are here complaining about PR, al kebabs are celebrating that they have exceed their target. Yes lets fight amongst ourselves whilst our enemies continue to recruit among US. One thing Kenyans think is that they are the center of the universe and averse to things like terrorism. The fight begins with US.


@Kratos, I agree with you 100% that we should all play our part in this fight. Now lets interrogate that statement further.

1. What has I not done as @Washiku that I should have done to prevent people from being butchered? I have paid all my taxes, I voted in a government, Some guys were hired and are paid through my taxes to protect me because legally that is what the constitution that I voted for says. They continue drawing a salary every month(and others, due to the same position they occupy, they draw more than the salaries and other perks, they earn bribes, they "win" tenders and they have access to many more girlfriends-not that I care about that last part, just that they spend more time with them than they do serving us). I know my neighbour, I subject myself to searches by security officers, both police and watchmen, even when it completely doesn't make sense to. Let Uhuru let me know what else I have not done and I will do. He can as well give those teachers guns to protect themselves from Shabaab. They will die eventually, but there will be proof one Kebab was killed, unlike the ones Ruto told us and people laughed at him.

2. What could have those teachers done that they did not do? They asked for jobs, risked their lives and went to teach. They pay taxes too. Their worst problem was that they belonged to the "wrong" race or spiritual house. In fact, its coz they couldn't recite some verses in the Koran. If such a measure was to be used to determine which Christian dies or lives, I am sure many Christians would fail despite bearing Christian names. There could have been muslims who died simply coz they never took their Holy Book seriously thus they may have failed the verses-Hope you get my point.

3. You asked why those security heads should resign? Because we have given them many chances and they are yet to show some results. Heck, even in the places you work if you dont perform you go. The positions they hold are not hereditary, they are privileged to hold them. Its not their right. If they cant perfom, the most honorable thing would be to leave for someone else. I dont know whether the others would perform or not, but am hell sure the current ones are not performing. Honor would be when a man realizes what is at hand is too much to handle and they allowed someone else to try it out.

4. You see, terrorist attacking us is not the problem. The problem is those niggas attacking us time and again and again and again and again....and nobody is brought to book or held accountable. I dont think it can get worse. Its already too bad. You see, after Westgate, we should have really learned and changed tact. It should have been our best opportunity to show those young boys that we got something tough under our sleeves. Did we? Honestly do you think we did? Do you feel we did?

5. Where is Uhuru to blame? He has the powers to hire and fire. If he feels the laws in place are not sufficient enough, he controls the majority in parliament where laws are made. If its money, he has demonstrated he can get enough money if he wants. If he came to us and told us he needs money to fix security, we would pay. Didn't he pay Anglo-fleecing cash to the thieves, whether we liked it or not? As in, this guy has no excuse whatsoever.

Do people really understand what it means to lose a loved one? I think we can stop everything else save lives first. The sanctity of live is not for public/philosophical discussion. Its supreme. Why guarantee me cheap power, cheap food, decent transport and all those others if I am not assured of being there to enjoy them??? If I have to die, let me die of other things, not out of kebab thing.

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