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Kihara joni
#181 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 3:16:05 PM
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When this happens what it means for us here is Kisauni, majengo, mwembe tayari or Likoni are out of bound for now.
Swenani
#182 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:21:20 PM
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Joined: 8/15/2013
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Rahatupu wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
.

@Swenani, please provide practical and actionable ways of this engagement. By practical I mean when faced with an immediate and real threat to property, limb and life, do you suggest the said youths be coyed and be coddled to give up the weapons?

From a tactical level, you must appreciate that the only approach is elimination of the threat by countering it with the same or more force than they can muster. Unless they are fearful of the legitimate state violence, there can be no deal it would be either their way (they have it with the mosques) or the civilised way. Why didn't the "entire" communities in Murang'a and Kirinyaga become radicalized after Mungiki were neutralized the hard way? Are all Pokots radicalized by the KDF operation? SLDF?

No X-mas windfall for local businesses this year at the coast.

@Alphdoti, how is intelligence to be used/acted upon? At some point action is bound to be taken. When this happens ohhh "Muslims are targeted". I have noticed the silence of the political leadership in Mombasa on this one, going forward if they desist from sympathizing with the radicals then we'll rid the region of this threatening menace.


@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Ngong
#183 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:31:46 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 11/17/2012
Posts: 1,461
Location: Ngong Forest
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
.

@Swenani, please provide practical and actionable ways of this engagement. By practical I mean when faced with an immediate and real threat to property, limb and life, do you suggest the said youths be coyed and be coddled to give up the weapons?

From a tactical level, you must appreciate that the only approach is elimination of the threat by countering it with the same or more force than they can muster. Unless they are fearful of the legitimate state violence, there can be no deal it would be either their way (they have it with the mosques) or the civilised way. Why didn't the "entire" communities in Murang'a and Kirinyaga become radicalized after Mungiki were neutralized the hard way? Are all Pokots radicalized by the KDF operation? SLDF?

No X-mas windfall for local businesses this year at the coast.

@Alphdoti, how is intelligence to be used/acted upon? At some point action is bound to be taken. When this happens ohhh "Muslims are targeted". I have noticed the silence of the political leadership in Mombasa on this one, going forward if they desist from sympathizing with the radicals then we'll rid the region of this threatening menace.


@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.


Ukiwa serious unabore,hio sgnature poa! terrorism wachia kimaiyo na huyo jamaa mwingine they know no better
Swenani
#184 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:45:46 PM
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Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,237
Location: Vacuum
Ngong wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
.

@Swenani, please provide practical and actionable ways of this engagement. By practical I mean when faced with an immediate and real threat to property, limb and life, do you suggest the said youths be coyed and be coddled to give up the weapons?

From a tactical level, you must appreciate that the only approach is elimination of the threat by countering it with the same or more force than they can muster. Unless they are fearful of the legitimate state violence, there can be no deal it would be either their way (they have it with the mosques) or the civilised way. Why didn't the "entire" communities in Murang'a and Kirinyaga become radicalized after Mungiki were neutralized the hard way? Are all Pokots radicalized by the KDF operation? SLDF?

No X-mas windfall for local businesses this year at the coast.

@Alphdoti, how is intelligence to be used/acted upon? At some point action is bound to be taken. When this happens ohhh "Muslims are targeted". I have noticed the silence of the political leadership in Mombasa on this one, going forward if they desist from sympathizing with the radicals then we'll rid the region of this threatening menace.


@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.


Ukiwa serious unabore,hio sgnature poa! terrorism wachia kimaiyo na huyo jamaa mwingine they know no better


Sawa chief,Nimeskia
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
MKWASI
#185 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:52:18 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 4/20/2012
Posts: 888
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
.

@Swenani, please provide practical and actionable ways of this engagement. By practical I mean when faced with an immediate and real threat to property, limb and life, do you suggest the said youths be coyed and be coddled to give up the weapons?

From a tactical level, you must appreciate that the only approach is elimination of the threat by countering it with the same or more force than they can muster. Unless they are fearful of the legitimate state violence, there can be no deal it would be either their way (they have it with the mosques) or the civilised way. Why didn't the "entire" communities in Murang'a and Kirinyaga become radicalized after Mungiki were neutralized the hard way? Are all Pokots radicalized by the KDF operation? SLDF?

No X-mas windfall for local businesses this year at the coast.

@Alphdoti, how is intelligence to be used/acted upon? At some point action is bound to be taken. When this happens ohhh "Muslims are targeted". I have noticed the silence of the political leadership in Mombasa on this one, going forward if they desist from sympathizing with the radicals then we'll rid the region of this threatening menace.


@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.


One cannot change the mind of a terrorist. Remember this radicalisation of a mind. Only MO1 or Michuki would ve dealt with this monster decisively...Hii maneno ya democracy, sijui extrajudicial what, sijui which law, sijui which right...are languages that will never eliminate the vice.

After dealing with the terrorist and terrorist sympathizers decisively, you can now engage the other population on how to live harmoniously.
Rahatupu
#186 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:16:03 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 1,982
Location: matano manne
MKWASI wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
.

@Swenani, please provide practical and actionable ways of this engagement. By practical I mean when faced with an immediate and real threat to property, limb and life, do you suggest the said youths be coyed and be coddled to give up the weapons?

From a tactical level, you must appreciate that the only approach is elimination of the threat by countering it with the same or more force than they can muster. Unless they are fearful of the legitimate state violence, there can be no deal it would be either their way (they have it with the mosques) or the civilised way. Why didn't the "entire" communities in Murang'a and Kirinyaga become radicalized after Mungiki were neutralized the hard way? Are all Pokots radicalized by the KDF operation? SLDF?

No X-mas windfall for local businesses this year at the coast.

@Alphdoti, how is intelligence to be used/acted upon? At some point action is bound to be taken. When this happens ohhh "Muslims are targeted". I have noticed the silence of the political leadership in Mombasa on this one, going forward if they desist from sympathizing with the radicals then we'll rid the region of this threatening menace.


@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.


One cannot change the mind of a terrorist. Remember this radicalisation of a mind. Only MO1 or Michuki would ve dealt with this monster decisively...Hii maneno ya democracy, sijui extrajudicial what, sijui which law, sijui which right...are languages that will never eliminate the vice.

After dealing with the terrorist and terrorist sympathizers decisively, you can now engage the other population on how to live harmoniously.

Applause well said.
Rahatupu
#187 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:19:30 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 1,982
Location: matano manne
MKWASI wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
.

@Swenani, please provide practical and actionable ways of this engagement. By practical I mean when faced with an immediate and real threat to property, limb and life, do you suggest the said youths be coyed and be coddled to give up the weapons?

From a tactical level, you must appreciate that the only approach is elimination of the threat by countering it with the same or more force than they can muster. Unless they are fearful of the legitimate state violence, there can be no deal it would be either their way (they have it with the mosques) or the civilised way. Why didn't the "entire" communities in Murang'a and Kirinyaga become radicalized after Mungiki were neutralized the hard way? Are all Pokots radicalized by the KDF operation? SLDF?

No X-mas windfall for local businesses this year at the coast.

@Alphdoti, how is intelligence to be used/acted upon? At some point action is bound to be taken. When this happens ohhh "Muslims are targeted". I have noticed the silence of the political leadership in Mombasa on this one, going forward if they desist from sympathizing with the radicals then we'll rid the region of this threatening menace.


@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.


One cannot change the mind of a terrorist. Remember this radicalisation of a mind. Only MO1 or Michuki would ve dealt with this monster decisively...Hii maneno ya democracy, sijui extrajudicial what, sijui which law, sijui which right...are languages that will never eliminate the vice.

After dealing with the terrorist and terrorist sympathizers decisively, you can now engage the other population on how to live harmoniously.

@Mwasi well said. Is this so difficult for people to understand?
AlphDoti
#188 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:57:17 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Rahatupu wrote:
MKWASI wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
.
@Swenani, please provide practical and actionable ways of this engagement. By practical I mean when faced with an immediate and real threat to property, limb and life, do you suggest the said youths be coyed and be coddled to give up the weapons?

From a tactical level, you must appreciate that the only approach is elimination of the threat by countering it with the same or more force than they can muster. Unless they are fearful of the legitimate state violence, there can be no deal it would be either their way (they have it with the mosques) or the civilised way. Why didn't the "entire" communities in Murang'a and Kirinyaga become radicalized after Mungiki were neutralized the hard way? Are all Pokots radicalized by the KDF operation? SLDF?

No X-mas windfall for local businesses this year at the coast.

@Alphdoti, how is intelligence to be used/acted upon? At some point action is bound to be taken. When this happens ohhh "Muslims are targeted". I have noticed the silence of the political leadership in Mombasa on this one, going forward if they desist from sympathizing with the radicals then we'll rid the region of this threatening menace.


@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.

One cannot change the mind of a terrorist. Remember this radicalisation of a mind. Only MO1 or Michuki would ve dealt with this monster decisively...Hii maneno ya democracy, sijui extrajudicial what, sijui which law, sijui which right...are languages that will never eliminate the vice.

After dealing with the terrorist and terrorist sympathizers decisively, you can now engage the other population on how to live harmoniously.

@Mwasi well said. Is this so difficult for people to understand?

@rahatupu, this is exactly the kind of talk or attitude that has excalated the problem further. We were better off sometimes back, but people kept talking with arrogance and it has not reduced the situation.

I have said many, many times before that let us turn everybody into partners in the war on terror. Let us also come to our senses and know that the war on terror is NOT WAR ON ISLAM or ON MUSLIMS.

I say this because there are many of us here who want to see the war on terror but have not overcome their suspicion and mistrust of Muslims. They need to change their perception and turn Muslims into Partners in the war on terror.

This is the simplest solution for the long term result.
symbols
#189 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:33:29 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
AlphDoti wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
MKWASI wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
.
@Swenani, please provide practical and actionable ways of this engagement. By practical I mean when faced with an immediate and real threat to property, limb and life, do you suggest the said youths be coyed and be coddled to give up the weapons?

From a tactical level, you must appreciate that the only approach is elimination of the threat by countering it with the same or more force than they can muster. Unless they are fearful of the legitimate state violence, there can be no deal it would be either their way (they have it with the mosques) or the civilised way. Why didn't the "entire" communities in Murang'a and Kirinyaga become radicalized after Mungiki were neutralized the hard way? Are all Pokots radicalized by the KDF operation? SLDF?

No X-mas windfall for local businesses this year at the coast.

@Alphdoti, how is intelligence to be used/acted upon? At some point action is bound to be taken. When this happens ohhh "Muslims are targeted". I have noticed the silence of the political leadership in Mombasa on this one, going forward if they desist from sympathizing with the radicals then we'll rid the region of this threatening menace.


@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.

One cannot change the mind of a terrorist. Remember this radicalisation of a mind. Only MO1 or Michuki would ve dealt with this monster decisively...Hii maneno ya democracy, sijui extrajudicial what, sijui which law, sijui which right...are languages that will never eliminate the vice.

After dealing with the terrorist and terrorist sympathizers decisively, you can now engage the other population on how to live harmoniously.

@Mwasi well said. Is this so difficult for people to understand?

@rahatupu, this is exactly the kind of talk or attitude that has excalated the problem further. We were better off sometimes back, but people kept talking with arrogance and it has not reduced the situation.

I have said many, many times before that let us turn everybody into partners in the war on terror. Let us also come to our senses and know that the war on terror is NOT WAR ON ISLAM or ON MUSLIMS.

I say this because there are many of us here who want to see the war on terror but have not overcome their suspicion and mistrust of Muslims. They need to change their perception and turn Muslims into Partners in the war on terror.

This is the simplest solution for the long term result.


A terrorist's interpretation of Islam is just as good as yours.
Kratos
#190 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:34:48 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 9/19/2011
Posts: 1,694
AlphDoti wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
MKWASI wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
.
@Swenani, please provide practical and actionable ways of this engagement. By practical I mean when faced with an immediate and real threat to property, limb and life, do you suggest the said youths be coyed and be coddled to give up the weapons?

From a tactical level, you must appreciate that the only approach is elimination of the threat by countering it with the same or more force than they can muster. Unless they are fearful of the legitimate state violence, there can be no deal it would be either their way (they have it with the mosques) or the civilised way. Why didn't the "entire" communities in Murang'a and Kirinyaga become radicalized after Mungiki were neutralized the hard way? Are all Pokots radicalized by the KDF operation? SLDF?

No X-mas windfall for local businesses this year at the coast.

@Alphdoti, how is intelligence to be used/acted upon? At some point action is bound to be taken. When this happens ohhh "Muslims are targeted". I have noticed the silence of the political leadership in Mombasa on this one, going forward if they desist from sympathizing with the radicals then we'll rid the region of this threatening menace.


@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.

One cannot change the mind of a terrorist. Remember this radicalisation of a mind. Only MO1 or Michuki would ve dealt with this monster decisively...Hii maneno ya democracy, sijui extrajudicial what, sijui which law, sijui which right...are languages that will never eliminate the vice.

After dealing with the terrorist and terrorist sympathizers decisively, you can now engage the other population on how to live harmoniously.

@Mwasi well said. Is this so difficult for people to understand?

@rahatupu, this is exactly the kind of talk or attitude that has excalated the problem further. We were better off sometimes back, but people kept talking with arrogance and it has not reduced the situation.

I have said many, many times before that let us turn everybody into partners in the war on terror. Let us also come to our senses and know that the war on terror is NOT WAR ON ISLAM or ON MUSLIMS.

I say this because there are many of us here who want to see the war on terror but have not overcome their suspicion and mistrust of Muslims. They need to change their perception and turn Muslims into Partners in the war on terror.


This is the simplest solution for the long term result.


Who is talking about Islam here other than you?

You cannot engage with people who cause mayhem and interfere with other people's human rights without a real and true cause.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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