@Rahatupu,I think there are two ways to counter terrorism
1.Operation counter terrorism-Which should be applied when faced with immediate danger>Which is usually a short term response and often than not leads to the growth of more terrorist since a one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.When applying this tactic, the government should realize that a terrorist is not your usually criminal motivated by personal gain but rather a terrorist is a religious,political,social criminal motivated by a change in political,cultural,religious ideology through creation of fear,violence,death etc

2.Strategic counter terrorism is a long term and more sustainable means to fight any kind of terrorism.Just like politicians convince the masses to vote for them and not their competitors, strategic counter terrorism should apply more of the same tactics of a politician.Even if it involves the government carrying out terrorists activities against its citizens,it will bear fruits in the long term.Strategic counter terrorism involves changing the minds of the terrorist and making the communities realize the vices of terrorism.

Sawa chief,Nimeskia

well said.

@rahatupu, this is exactly the kind of talk or attitude that has excalated the problem further. We were better off sometimes back, but people kept talking with arrogance and it has not reduced the situation.

I have said many, many times before that let us turn everybody into partners in the war on terror. Let us also come to our senses and know that the war on terror is NOT WAR ON ISLAM or ON MUSLIMS.

I say this because there are many of us here who want to see the war on terror but have not overcome their suspicion and mistrust of Muslims. They need to change their perception and turn Muslims into Partners in the war on terror.

This is the simplest solution for the long term result.

Who is talking about Islam here other than you?

You cannot engage with people who cause mayhem and interfere with other people's human rights without a real and true cause.

Are you implying that people are born terrorists? If they were changed to terrorists and their mind radicalized, why cant they be changed and radicalized with another ideology of valuing life?

The government has to stop this radicalization by engaging the communities or youths before the Al shabaab,MRC and other radicals engage them and also offer something better than what is being offered by the radicals.Its common knowledge(sense) that people who are radicalized are the vulnerable who are unemployed,feel unapreciated or are undergoing the lowest point in their lives.

The govt should see the Muslim preachers,opinion makers ,mosques and Muslims as allies in this fight to de-radicalize and stop radicalization,otherwise we might end up with all the Muslim fraternity feeling targeted and marginalized which will only escalate radicalization

It is not that people do not want to partner with Muslims, its because Muslims make it impossible. You are usually number one to complain loudly on these forums about Muslims being targeted. The war on terrorism is an unconventional one, you and other Muslims need to wake up, chew on that fact for a moment and digest it. Other Kenyans seem to have gotten with the program. Visit other countries where the rule of law is even more established than Kenya -the medicine is the same for lunatics with bombs and automatic weapons: Extreme prejudice.
Take a leaf from Kikuyus and Christians of Central and Nairobi -when Mungiki started beheading people, they realized it was a deep cancer and raised no fuss when the security forces took to them with an iron fist. They may not be extingushed by they now deal in small time criminal fare such as extorting matatu drivers, not making entire provinces cower in fear.
So, for once shut up, stop making a fuss when the security forces are trying to stamp out terrorism. You make a minefield of it when it should not be that very complicated. If you showed the security forces some goodwill, the rest of Kenyans will show you some goodwill in return. We make sacrifices on personal freedoms when faced with dire threats. We know that not all Muslims are terrorists, but when you ringfence terrorists cause they are part of your religious caucus, what are we to think? Carry some weight, make sacrifices. Put Kenya and other Kenyans first.
Peace.

A trending concern in Europe at the moment is how to handle returning fighters, who I believe, are what we call 'radicalized minds'.

But the long and short is that this war against terrorism is a symptom of an inner conflict in humans that has come to a critical state where war and insecurity is globalized. It's an extreme state because it leaves all in a state of fear and retardation. But humans have a taste for joy and happiness and flourish.

That's why there's all this fighting. If there's an apt metaphor, then it's 'Keys to the heart'.

So the question is 'how can governments, or societies help or provide their citizens in the matter of each finding the key to his/her heart.

The complication is these minds were radicalized in these government's jurisdictions. So these governments are of no help.

They may try to wipe out families, clans, religions, but the more they kill and destroy, the more they get death and destruction upon their people. For one can only reap what he sows.

@mo, here it is.

1. First proof: Jesus tells them a day will come when they will not worship in Jerusalem. John 4:21. Yesu akamjibu, "...hamtamwabudu Baba katika mlima huu, wala huko Yerusalemu."
Why? Because one day "Lakini saa yaja, tena ipo, ambapo wale waabuduo halisi"

2. Second proof: So which place was Jesus talking about? Isaac was 1st covenant, worshipping at Sinai. Ismael was 2nd covenant, worshipping God in spirit, in Arabia.

3. Third proof: Who was given 2nd covenant? Mt. Parai is where Ismael was taken. See Deut 33:1. Check it out in an encyclopaedia or Google it on the Internet and see where old Mt. Parani is. It is in Arabian peninsula.

4. Fourth proof: Now look at this.
a). "Unabii Dhidi Ya Arabia" Isaiah 21:13. Yaani "Neno kuhusu Arabia... katika vichaka vya Arabia".
b). Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. This messenger will bring down a law and "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth."
c). Isaiah 42:11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar.

5. Fifth proof: Who is Kedar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael. Your homework now: who is the ancestor to Kedar? Which prophet was descended from Kedar, who descended from Ishmael?

6. Sixth proof: Jesus said "ANOTHER COMFORTER will come".
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter..."
John 16:7 "...I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you..."
John 16:12-14 "...when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth... but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak... He shall glorify me"

Who came and glorified Jesus? Who came and said Jesus is Massi, translated Christos, translated from Christ?

7. Seventh proof: Some will say that Jesus was refering to the Holy Spirit?
Proof 1: If there are 3 friends: Tom, Dick and Harry. One day they're together talking and Tom tells Dick, I'll go and send Harry to come to you. Question is: does this make sense given that Harry is already there with them?
Proof 2: Remember the Spirit has always been there.
Proof 3: Before Jesus was born: When John was in his mother's womb Luke 1:15. Remember John was born before Jesus. Elizabeth was filled Luke 1:41. Zacharias was filled Luke 1:67.
Proof 4: After Jesus was born: Upon Simeon Luke 2:26. Upon Jesus Luke 3:22. Casting out devils by Spirit of God Matt 12:28. Casting out devils by Finger of God Luke 11:20.

8. Eighth proof: God tells Israel about a prophet that will come.
Deut 18:18 - Nitawainulia nabii kama wewe kutoka miongoni mwa ndugu zao, nitaweka maneno yangu kinywani mwake naye atawambia kila kitu nitakachomwamuru.
"Brethren" in Deut 18:18, refers to descendant of Abraham.
"Brethren" means descendant of your brothers. Moses descended from Isaac. So who were the brethrens of Isaac? Answer: chidren of his brother, Ismael.
Since Muhammad pbuh was descendant of Ismael, Abraham's first son, then Muhammad pbuh qualifies as a 'brother' to the Israelites, and is indeed the prophet God Moses about in Deut 18:18.

9. Nineth proof: The ways Muhammad pbuh was like Moses and Jesus pbuh unlike Moses.
(1) Rejected by his people and then accepted: Moses Yes, Jesus No, Muhammad Yes.
(2) Became a national leader: Moses Yes, Jesus No, Muhammad Yes.
(3) Miraculous birth: Moses No, Jesus Yes, Muhammad No.
(4) Encountered enemies in battle: Moses Yes, Jesus No, Muhammad Yes.
(5) Family - married with children: Moses Yes, Jesus No, Muhammad Yes.

@ecstacy wacha jokes

Here is the compressed version for you likes of you.

Jesus puts it straight here.
The prophethood will be given to "another people", who will bring good results. Who are the non-Jews who were given prophethood!!! He told the Jews that they were given the prophethood but they kept killing the prophets. Matt 21:42. "Kwa hiyo ninawaambia, Ufalme wa Mungu utaondolewa kwenu na watapewa watu wengine wawezao kuzaa matunda yake."

The Jews were expecting three persons:
Elias, Christ (Christos), and That Prophet. John 1:19
- Jesus said John came by way of Elias.
- Jesus was the Christ
- So who was the That Prophet? Matt 21:42

Jesus tells them that a day will come when they will not worship in Jerusalem. John 4:21