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Masjid Musa Mosque Mombasa
AlphDoti
#161 Posted : Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:29:56 PM
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Swenani wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Robinhood wrote:
The worshippers of Satan killed four innocents in retaliation.

@robihood you've never improved yourself 2 years down the line? You are still as ignorant as you were then! From the time you thought there was coloured camera in the 6th century. From the time you were exposing your wife to alcoholism two years ago.

You claimed to know be learned, studied in University but your knowledge of things is so down. No difference between you and those villagers who believe lighting in some kind of dragon! But it is clear that if you were informed, you would know that Muslims do not worship Satan. You would know that Muhammad was prophesied in the Bible. You would know that Muslims worship God. You would be fair enough to assume there must be innocent in both sides of the camps. About guilt, we cannot tell that. You won't know, and I won't know.

Haiya!!

Aren't you the same person who keeps on saying that those who kill are not true muslims?But now you are claiming that they are actually muslims who worship God.

Wonders will never cease!!!!

Ok, @swenani, maybe I over reacted.

You see, we know everywhere in the world, there are evil people, every society, every race, every tribe, every continent. But selectively ignoring the wrongs others are doing and then refer to the victim as Satan worshiper means people are ignorant.

We know anywhere in the world, there are people who call themselves Muslims but do not live upto what Islam teaches, ...these are thugs in Islamic clothing. But that does not warrant those words used by @robihood.

I have come to realize that ignorance is to blame for the bad reputation Islam is getting.

So if anyone committed crime, then that is not Islam. That person is a criminal. There are criminals all over.

Kwani what are those who killed police officers in Kapendo worshiping? Why didn't we hear the same kind of venom towards them?
Rahatupu
#162 Posted : Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:57:00 PM
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I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.
jaggernaut
#163 Posted : Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:55:38 PM
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Saddened by what has become of the once lovely and safe coastal city. Soo sad that one can be stabbed anytime on the streets. No more holidays at the coast since one can be killed any moment.
Swenani
#164 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:25:52 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
AlphDoti
#165 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:34:05 AM
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Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted

This is true. I liked yesterday's guests on TV discussing this issue. It was very straight minded trio.

One of them made a good observation that, maybe the govt has done this the wrong way. Maybe the govt is professional in the action. He said it is obvious the clerics have done enough, the issue has been politicalized. When they talked, they were killed.
That's why both the good clerics and those suspected to be extreme are killed.

Extra-judicial killing is never the solution. Using intelligence is the solution.

As far as terror is concerned, one speaker observed that, before Kenya was never a primary target, it was the U.S. Kenya was just secondary victim. It was not until after 2011 that Kenya became a target.
symbols
#166 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:24:05 AM
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B.Timer
#167 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:32:45 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted

This is true. I liked yesterday's guests on TV discussing this issue. It was very straight minded trio.

One of them made a good observation that, maybe the govt has done this the wrong way. Maybe the govt is professional in the action. He said it is obvious the clerics have done enough, the issue has been politicalized. When they talked, they were killed.
That's why both the good clerics and those suspected to be extreme are killed.

Extra-judicial killing is never the solution. Using intelligence is the solution.

As far as terror is concerned, one speaker observed that, before Kenya was never a primary target, it was the U.S. Kenya was just secondary victim. It was not until after 2011 that Kenya became a target.


That's positive. But all of us including your self need to desist from making comments that for all intents and purposes are sympathetic and serve to embloden the terrorist as well as skewing the thinking process of other people, especialt youths who may believe you.
That my brother is a deservice to mother Country.

Think of the number of people who are rethinking taking their holiday in Mombasa this Christmas season!

Dunia ni msongamano..
Wainadi
#168 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:35:05 AM
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according to 'moderate' muslims all these is danganya toto jinga.
Its all good.
washiku
#169 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:40:20 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
I have said it here and will say it again. Terrorism is not criminal. It cannot be fought using conventional policing tactics, only a very hard and firm extra judicial means will break such fanatics. Elimination of their command and control leadership,cutting their financial bases,isolating their sympathisers,and spiritual accomplices will get towards stemming the tide. The politicians in Mombasa seem to have realised the folly of sympathising with these louts.

True,the only way to fight terrorism is through engaging the community otherwise, the govt might end up radicalizing the whole coastal region who might feel that they are being targeted

This is true. I liked yesterday's guests on TV discussing this issue. It was very straight minded trio.

One of them made a good observation that, maybe the govt has done this the wrong way. Maybe the govt is professional in the action. He said it is obvious the clerics have done enough, the issue has been politicalized. When they talked, they were killed.
That's why both the good clerics and those suspected to be extreme are killed.

Extra-judicial killing is never the solution. Using intelligence is the solution.

As far as terror is concerned, one speaker observed that, before Kenya was never a primary target, it was the U.S. Kenya was just secondary victim. It was not until after 2011 that Kenya became a target.


When the intelligence is used and there is solid proof that there are grenades in a mosque at 3am and the police goes for them, then we call that "Danganya toto njinga" how is that?
Muriel
#170 Posted : Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:15:31 AM
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I know they could have been keeping those things safely there intending to hand them over to the police at 8 am in the morning.

Police just had to fall over themselves to ruin the intended good gesture of goodwill. Whats so hard in waiting and watching for just 5 more hours? Like draculas they only see and are seen at night?

You must not rush to blanket intimated condemnation over one grenade or else there will be repercussions.

Renegade.
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