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#1 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 1:01:26 PM
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#2 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 3:04:10 PM
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I don't need to add anything... This government is the most cowardice I have ever seen! If the suspect was a criminal, why don't you take him to court? It only means one thing, hidden agenda by the killers.

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There is a difference between "suspect" and "accused". And going further to call him a "suspected gangster" is unethical. It gives rise to charges that the media is in bed with the police. The media's role is to question everything
MaichBlack
#3 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 3:31:18 PM
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section of this constitution [courtesy of NGOs and other such assorted groups] will totally mess the country.

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The suspect is alleged to have been involved in the 2013 killings at the Mombasa fire station and has a murder case pending in court over the hacking of some people.


You don't release all kinds of suspects [including capital offences] on bond and expect justice to be served. These criminals go back to the society and intimidate (or even kill) everyone and their cases never go anywhere! Of late I have been reading about witnesses murdered by [apparently] the same suspects they are supposed to be giving evidence against - probably in yet another murder case!!!

Note: I'm not specifically commenting on this case or clerics etc. My issue is on releasing murder suspects and other serious offenders back to the society on bond. We cannot put suspects' rights [even though they are important] above the rights of victims, witnesses and the general population. Imagine a murderer with all the evidence stacked against him back in society! What does he have to lose? What will stop him from killing again, and again, and again... as the case goes on? After all, they can only hang you once! For one murder or ten. And that is why murder suspect - even in the west - are kept behind bars till the case is over. And in cases where a suspect is released, there must be justifiable reason to prove that he is unlikely to pose a danger to society or be a flight risk. And even then, there must be proper mechanisms to monitor the suspect and protect the witnesses!

Show me a country where an individual suspected of "hacking some people" is released on bail and I will show you a country in need of prayers!!!
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alma
#4 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:34:00 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
section of this constitution [courtesy of NGOs and other such assorted groups] will totally mess the country.

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The suspect is alleged to have been involved in the 2013 killings at the Mombasa fire station and has a murder case pending in court over the hacking of some people.


You don't release all kinds of suspects [including capital offences] on bond and expect justice to be served. These criminals go back to the society and intimidate (or even kill) everyone and their cases never go anywhere! Of late I have been reading about witnesses murdered by [apparently] the same suspects they are supposed to be giving evidence against - probably in yet another murder case!!!

Note: I'm not specifically commenting on this case or clerics etc. My issue is on releasing murder suspects and other serious offenders back to the society on bond. We cannot put suspects' rights [even though they are important] above the rights of victims, witnesses and the general population. Imagine a murderer with all the evidence stacked against him back in society! What does he have to lose? What will stop him from killing again, and again, and again... as the case goes on? After all, they can only hang you once! For one murder or ten. And that is why murder suspect - even in the west - are kept behind bars till the case is over. And in cases where a suspect is released, there must be justifiable reason to prove that he is unlikely to pose a danger to society or be a flight risk. And even then, there must be proper mechanisms to monitor the suspect and protect the witnesses!

Show me a country where an individual suspected of "hacking some people" is released on bail and I will show you a country in need of prayers!!!


I'll show you one where the President and Deputy President are accused of hacking people.
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MaichBlack
#5 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:57:51 PM
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alma wrote:
I'll show you one where the President and Deputy President are accused of hacking people.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

You must be kidding me!!! Or you are wearing goggles!

Are you talking about the one the prosecutor tells the court "I have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE against the accused but I'm hoping you can keep this case open indefinitely just in case I get some evidence some time in future!". That one??

This actually on the other extreme! No where in the world will a prosecutor confess he/she has no evidence against the accused and the case is not terminated there and then! Apart from this case of course!

Kindly look at the facts without goggles. Look at the case jurisprudentially. Who I'm I kidding? For most Kenyans, politics and tribalism tramples legal formalism! Even legal realism does not stand a chance!!!
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alma
#6 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 5:03:05 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
alma wrote:
I'll show you one where the President and Deputy President are accused of hacking people.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

You must be kidding me!!! Or you are wearing goggles!

Are you talking about the one the prosecutor tells the court "I have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE against the accused but I'm hoping you can keep this case open indefinitely just in case I get some evidence some time in future!". That one??

This actually on the other extreme! No where in the world will a prosecutor confess he/she has no evidence against the accused and the case is not terminated there and then! Apart from this case of course!

Kindly look at the facts without goggles. Look at the case jurisprudentially. Who I'm I kidding? For most Kenyans politics and tribalism tramples legal formalism! Even legal realism does not stand a chance!!!



You asked a question I answered you. One of the accused actually wanted to go to court. Don't be vague stuff.

I think its the same country where police never seem to have any evidence in court for any case. Even the policeman who shot someone on TV. They somehow couldn't get the bullet.

Now who's wearing goggles?
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
nakujua
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 7:21:09 PM
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alma wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
alma wrote:
I'll show you one where the President and Deputy President are accused of hacking people.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

You must be kidding me!!! Or you are wearing goggles!

Are you talking about the one the prosecutor tells the court "I have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE against the accused but I'm hoping you can keep this case open indefinitely just in case I get some evidence some time in future!". That one??

This actually on the other extreme! No where in the world will a prosecutor confess he/she has no evidence against the accused and the case is not terminated there and then! Apart from this case of course!

Kindly look at the facts without goggles. Look at the case jurisprudentially. Who I'm I kidding? For most Kenyans politics and tribalism tramples legal formalism! Even legal realism does not stand a chance!!!



You asked a question I answered you. One of the accused actually wanted to go to court. Don't be vague stuff.

I think its the same country where police never seem to have any evidence in court for any case. Even the policeman who shot someone on TV. They somehow couldn't get the bullet.

Now who's wearing goggles?

comparing the kenyan system to that at the hague is like comparing alma to jeff bezos, then blaming him for not producing systems that make millions smile
MaichBlack
#8 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 7:40:31 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
section of this constitution [courtesy of NGOs and other such assorted groups] will totally mess the country.
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You don't release all kinds of suspects [including capital offences] on bond and expect justice to be served. These criminals go back to the society and intimidate (or even kill) everyone and their cases never go anywhere!
........
Show me a country where an individual suspected of "hacking some people" is released on bail and I will show you a country in need of prayers!!!


alma wrote:
I think its the same country where police never seem to have any evidence in court for any case. Even the policeman who shot someone on TV. They somehow couldn't get the bullet.

Your politics and goggles might be blinding you but we are actually agreeing on something here. If you could only take off your goggles long enough!!!
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#9 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 7:50:59 PM
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Humans will always sacrifice other humans to the 'gods'. The hue and clamor is part of the ritual, a grand cover up. A limit to those who can understand this and sacrifice others or themselves. The coward masses.

'Thou shall not kill'.
Mukiri
#10 Posted : Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:03:50 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
section of this constitution [courtesy of NGOs and other such assorted groups] will totally mess the country.
.......
You don't release all kinds of suspects [including capital offences] on bond and expect justice to be served. These criminals go back to the society and intimidate (or even kill) everyone and their cases never go anywhere!
........
Show me a country where an individual suspected of "hacking some people" is released on bail and I will show you a country in need of prayers!!!


alma wrote:
I think its the same country where police never seem to have any evidence in court for any case. Even the policeman who shot someone on TV. They somehow couldn't get the bullet.

Your politics and goggles might be blinding you but we are actually agreeing on something here. If you could only take off your goggles long enough!!!

In your reply here,you haven't said anything, just admitted defeat. However I agree with you that Murder and other capital offences should never be bailable!

That said, which country is that where the President is accused of murder. The one I know, he's accused of INSTIGATING.. two very different things.

And to use the TV example, there is a former Prime Minister, on TV! uttering words that led to death. but he's still an eye-sore around.

Proverbs 19:21
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